Logic Pro 11.2(.2)

[jwd606]

No November update. Hasn't happened for a while. 10.7 update even came in October.

[LoveEnigma18]

Let's hope for Dec'25 or Jan'26.

[Sascha Franck]

I absolutely don't care about whether they come up with updates around this time of the year or not, it's pretty apparent that in general Logic becomes more and more of a lost cause. Great new features are never coming to us with Logic anymore since ages already. And no, things such as stem splitting, while useful, are in no way a great new features as you can have them in many ways. Same goes for the new reverb plugins. What would be really needed would be things actually improving integral DAW features.
Bug fixing, great time stretching, ARA, better MIDI-in plugin support, just to name some examples.
And even their new session player thingies are as halfassed as it gets (let alone the bass plugin is still crackle heaven at lowest latencies). The chord track functionality is horribly bug ridden and as un-elegant as it gets, the new Drummer IMO is worse than the old one (sure, it's more flexible but not as easy to start with), etc. They always start a thing and then stick their heads into the sand once it doesn't work properly.

I really wish I had switched DAWs earlier. But I may actually still consider that move, even if I really, really don't feel like after around 27 years with Logic.

[Super Piano Hater 64]

EDIT: This post was entirely redundant.

[xbitz]

If Apple keep going in this direction, it’s going to turn into a Mozart-style AI, a per-track prompt-driven DAW. I’m curious to see whether they’ll try to push that onto the user base —

I kind of doubt it, but at the same time, I assume Apple sees the trends too.


Who falls behind gets left behind.

[audiouser720]

If Apple keep going in this direction, it’s going to turn into a Mozart-style AI, a per-track prompt-driven DAW. I’m curious to see whether they’ll try to push that onto the user base —

I kind of doubt it, but at the same time, I assume Apple sees the trends too.


Who falls behind gets left behind.

Biggest pile of bullsh*t.
‘The AI race is over’. Lol. The clickbait title of the year award goes to…

[revvy]

And I’ve already seen it posted twice onKVR so far.

Ain’t gonna watch that video, don’t think RB is much of a sage about current/future trends.

[trancema]

I absolutely don't care about whether they come up with updates around this time of the year or not, it's pretty apparent that in general Logic becomes more and more of a lost cause. Great new features are never coming to us with Logic anymore since ages already. And no, things such as stem splitting, while useful, are in no way a great new features as you can have them in many ways. Same goes for the new reverb plugins. What would be really needed would be things actually improving integral DAW features.
Bug fixing, great time stretching, ARA, better MIDI-in plugin support, just to name some examples.
And even their new session player thingies are as halfassed as it gets (let alone the bass plugin is still crackle heaven at lowest latencies). The chord track functionality is horribly bug ridden and as un-elegant as it gets, the new Drummer IMO is worse than the old one (sure, it's more flexible but not as easy to start with), etc. They always start a thing and then stick their heads into the sand once it doesn't work properly.

I really wish I had switched DAWs earlier. But I may actually still consider that move, even if I really, really don't feel like after around 27 years with Logic.

I remember you being a "resident" on LPH or Gearslutz forum with great contribution.
I completely agree with your opinion. It's sad to see on what has Logic came down to.
Apple doesn't give a crap about anything other than pure profit, and they are capable destroying perfectly good product if it isn't profitable enough (remember Aperture professional photo editor) or downgrade it to amateur "play-tool" level for "influencers".
Hopefully they aren't using Logic developers to work on some AI based crap for Garage Band or something similar, like Fender did with Presonus Studio One developers working on crappy "Fender Studio"

[andypryce]

What would be really needed would be things actually improving integral DAW features.

I agree. Ancient and buggy Browser, Single Video File Support, Buggy Flex and beatmap. No ARA, non intuitive automation and cc editing. But it has Chat GPT Notepad!!

[Sascha Franck]

I remember you being a "resident" on LPH or Gearslutz forum with great contribution.

Thanks for the flowers. FWIW, I'm by now banned from LPH as the clerical Apple fanboys over there can't stand any kinda serious criticism of their holy grails.
"You have mentioned this so often, why don't you stop?"
Yeah, right - they want you to stop complaining about bugs when they're again not fixed with yet another semi-big version number (let alone within any bug fixing update). Just so that potentially reading Apple employees (and the Logic team is actually monitoring LPH) don't get oh-so-offended.
It's pretty much a general thing btw. Any Logic forum will get moderated by Logic betatesters after a while (at least true for LPH, the Logic User Group and the german logicuser.de forum), and those never allow too much serious criticism for whatever reasons (which, to me, are kinda obvious, especially in case the very same folks - such as David Nahmani - are also trying to sell their Logic teaching stuff, which only works as they've got early access).

The entire Apple/Logic-ecosystem plain and simply sucks. Zero interaction with their users, walled garden de luxe, sticking their heads into the sand.

Just recently I had a phone conversation with the Logic support (was about some sudden latency but merely turned into a discussion about the -35dB bug - I'll elaborate, if anyone wants) and the amount of cluelessness ("never heard about that") was abolutely staggering.

Apple doesn't give a crap about anything other than pure profit, and they are capable destroying perfectly good product if it isn't profitable enough (remember Aperture professional photo editor) or downgrade it to amateur "play-tool" level for "influencers".

Absolutely. And in case of Logic, they just don't need to compete with anyone else anymore as it simply doesn't have to generate any profit. For Apple, Logic is just serving as another incentive for folks to buy a Mac. "Look, you get this crazy great thing for 200 bucks, including lifetime updates!"
I don't know any single serious Logic user who would mind paying some bucks for, say, a yearly upgrade (such as common with other DAWs), in case really nice improvements were made and bugs were adressed in a timely manner.

Hopefully they aren't using Logic developers to work on some AI based crap for Garage Band or something similar, like Fender did with Presonus Studio One developers working on crappy "Fender Studio"

Well, GB is completely maintained by the Logic team already, so I wouldn't wonder much in case just that would happen.

[ksandvik]

Yes, I think it's the problem of pro-apps having a hard time to adjust to market needs. Either you become a standard and charge high premiums (Pro Tools), or have such a nice set of features for cheaper price so it becomes a standard (like Ableton for electronic music today), or a music tool for the masses. I'm not sure about Logic ProX positioning myself today, it tended to become a standard for non-electronic rock based music, but that market is dwindling.

I've used both, but I'm more and more navigating to Ableton Live for most of my work today. LPX is a nice system, but all the modulation tools in Ableton (and Bitwig) is where the electronic music making is heading into today. Plus the built-in Ableton tools and synths are amazing.

[jules99]

The entire Apple/Logic-ecosystem plain and simply sucks. Zero interaction with their users, walled garden de luxe, sticking their heads into the sand.

It's so baffling to me how disconnected Apple seems from their pro audio user base, because these complaints have been mounting over the last 5-10 years. And if Logic was becoming some esoteric fourth-row DAW that only some professionals and has-beens are using, I'd maybe understand their lack of caring.

But if you go in to professional songwriting, especially outside of Germany (where Cubase is bigger), Logic is everywhere. In most of the big songwriting camps, if it's not Ableton or FL for the more electronically driven tracks, it's Logic Pro 90 percent of the time. And if you start talking about its flaws, EVERYONE has the same complaints, and everyone is frustrated.

For ARA, I feel like it's a bigger topic than how it's broken in Logic. Given the lack of it getting in to non-linear DAWs, and how prone to crashes it can be in Logic, Cubase or even Studio One at times, Celemony has to be looking in to ways to improve the plugin standard for ARA 3. Maybe make it clip/region based, maybe sandbox it, whatever it is, but I'm really hoping there is some effort happening.

[andypryce]

Even Plugin Search and Track Search got implemented with 2 different updates 6 months apart after years of requesting by users.

[Sascha Franck]

Maybe Gerhard Lengeling being 66 by now and enjoying a relaxed, Apple-financed californian life has got something to do with things, too.

[CinningBao]

Maybe Gerhard Lengeling being 66 by now and enjoying a relaxed, Apple-financed californian life has got something to do with things, too.

I would hope that a retired ex-engineer doesn't actually have that much say in a live product range he used to be involved in. But stranger things have happened I suppose