Why is modern music so awful

[BONES]

Sorry dude, your not relevant.

Brilliant riposte! You can't win the argument so you have to get personal. Pathetic.

The only reason ‘80s pop is looked back on fondly is that people have cherrypicked the high points and remembered them. It was way worse then than it is now.

It's not just the 80s, as far back as you want to look, it's always been the same. The'60s was probably worse than the 80s - My Old Man's a Dustman and Lily the Pink. The Hollies will be remembered for He's Not Heavy, He's My Brother but they also committed atrocities like Bus Stop. And let's remember one of the Beatles' early hits was She Loves You Yeah, Yeah, Yeah. (Thank Dog they got better!)

[BONES]

what about genesis...

Who? Seriously, nobody knows about Genesis down here, except for the fact that's where Phil Collins and Peter Gabriel came from. If it wasn't for Invisible Touch, they'd never have had any profile here at all. Although looking at their discography now, I realise that Abacab was one of theirs. I knew the song but had no idea whose it was.

That's how life is; you get nostalgic about the good parts. It happens to most people and the concept long predates the internet.

My take is a lot more personal - I'm just really glad I grew up when I did because it was/is the best time to be alive and into music in the entire history of the species. I think it's definitely been on the decline since reaching its peak in the late '70s and '80s (or maybe just since I started contributing to it?) but it's a slow decline and not yet terminal.

[Bunny_boy]

what about genesis...

I've been a big Genesis fan ever since the release of their 1980 album, Duke. Before that, I really didn't understand any of their work. Too artsy, too intellectual. It was on Duke where, Phil Collins' presence became more apparent. I think Invisible Touch is the group's undisputed masterpiece. It's an epic meditation on intangibility. At the same time, it deepens and enriches the meaning of the preceding three albums.
Listen to the brilliant ensemble playing of Banks, Collins and Rutherford. You can practically hear every nuance of every instrument. In terms of lyrical craftsmanship, the sheer songwriting, this album hits a new peak of professionalism.
Take the lyrics to Land of Confusion. In this song, Phil Collins addresses the problems of abusive political authority. In Too Deep is the most moving pop song of the 1980s, about monogamy and commitment. The song is extremely uplifting. Their lyrics are as positive, affirmative,as anything I've heard in rock.

Phil Collins' solo career seems to be more commercial and therefore more satisfying, in a narrower way. Especially songs like In the Air Tonight and Against All Odds.
But I also think Phil Collins works best within the confines of the group than as a solo artist, and I stress the word artist. Sussudio, a great, great song, a personal favourite.

[enroe]

what about genesis...

I've been a big Genesis fan ever since the release of their 1980 album, Duke. Before that, I really didn't understand any of their work. Too artsy, too intellectual. It was on Duke where, Phil Collins' presence became more apparent. I think Invisible Touch is the group's undisputed masterpiece. It's an epic meditation on intangibility. At the same time, it deepens and enriches the meaning of the preceding three albums.
Listen to the brilliant ensemble playing of Banks, Collins and Rutherford. You can practically hear every nuance of every instrument. In terms of lyrical craftsmanship, the sheer songwriting, this album hits a new peak of professionalism.
Take the lyrics to Land of Confusion. In this song, Phil Collins addresses the problems of abusive political authority. In Too Deep is the most moving pop song of the 1980s, about monogamy and commitment. The song is extremely uplifting. Their lyrics are as positive, affirmative,as anything I've heard in rock.

Phil Collins' solo career seems to be more commercial and therefore more satisfying, in a narrower way. Especially songs like In the Air Tonight and Against All Odds.
But I also think Phil Collins works best within the confines of the group than as a solo artist, and I stress the word artist. Sussudio, a great, great song, a personal favourite.

Yes, I can only agree:

Genesis marks a high point in pop music and songwriting in general.

By that I mean both Genesis in their early days – with Peter Gabriel – and
in the trilogy with Rutherford, Banks & Collins. But the solo projects of
Rutherford (Mike & The Mechanics) and Phil Collins (many of them) are
also fantastic.

[vurt]

what about genesis...

Who?

you don't read much do you?
the huey stuff is a very famous passage from a book, that also contains similar regards genesis.
and business cards.

[Bombadil]

And plastic garments.

[BONES]

I think Invisible Touch is the group's undisputed masterpiece. It's an epic meditation on intangibility. At the same time, it deepens and enriches the meaning of the preceding three albums.

Seriously? I've only heard the title track but it's one of the most crassly commercial songs I can think of, typical of what I imagine most people would hate about the 80s.

you don't read much do you?

I've read 23 novels so far this year, plus another that was rubbish that I gave up half-way through. I sure as hell don't read books about bands or music, I can't imagine anything more boring. I did buy a book about the history of Post Punk earlier in the year, though, but I got bored after one page (literally one page) and stopped reading. If it was a physical book, I might have flipped through it and read bits and pieces but it's an e-book and you can't really do that.

the huey stuff is a very famous passage from a book, that also contains similar regards genesis.

I assumed it was some kind of parody, it definitely made me laugh.

By that I mean both Genesis in their early days – with Peter Gabriel – and
in the trilogy with Rutherford, Banks & Collins. But the solo projects of
Rutherford (Mike & The Mechanics) and Phil Collins (many of them) are
also fantastic.

But not Gabriel? For my money he's head and shoulders above the other twats. Collins' solo work, in particular, is as cringeworthy as anything from the 80s. I'll take Salisbury Hill, Shock the Monkey or Games Without Frontiers over anything from the rest of 'em.

Oh, and while I'm here, it would be very remiss of me not to mention the cricket. It's going great, isn't it?

[vurt]

I think Invisible Touch is the group's undisputed masterpiece. It's an epic meditation on intangibility. At the same time, it deepens and enriches the meaning of the preceding three albums.

Seriously? I've only heard the title track but it's one of the most crassly commercial songs I can think of, typical of what I imagine most people would hate about the 80s.

you don't read much do you?

I've read 23 novels so far this year, plus another that was rubbish that I gave up half-way through. I sure as hell don't read books about bands or music, I can't imagine anything more boring. I did buy a book about the history of Post Punk earlier in the year, though, but I got bored after one page (literally one page) and stopped reading. If it was a physical book, I might have flipped through it and read bits and pieces but it's an e-book and you can't really do that.

the huey stuff is a very famous passage from a book, that also contains similar regards genesis.

I assumed it was some kind of parody, it definitely made me laugh.

By that I mean both Genesis in their early days – with Peter Gabriel – and
in the trilogy with Rutherford, Banks & Collins. But the solo projects of
Rutherford (Mike & The Mechanics) and Phil Collins (many of them) are
also fantastic.

But not Gabriel? For my money he's head and shoulders above the other twats. Collins' solo work, in particular, is as cringeworthy as anything from the 80s. I'll take Salisbury Hill, Shock the Monkey or Games Without Frontiers over anything from the rest of 'em.

Oh, and while I'm here, it would be very remiss of me not to mention the cricket. It's going great, isn't it?

it's not about bands, it's about murders. possibly.

[Bunny_boy]

I've got to return some videotapes

[Bunny_boy]

(I forgot the film also had the bit about Whitney Houston in it as well)

Bateman has a tiny cameo in Glamorama where he's trying to convince a fellow party guest he really does have a coat of arms.

Although the scariest bit in AP is when they go to see U2 and he beings to question his life due to being in Bono's presence. Don't think Ellis was being satirical either...

[jocknaethick]

Oh, and while I'm here, it would be very remiss of me not to mention the cricket. It's going great, isn't it?

Pommy twats came out here with another suitcase full of bullshit...Still, the Barmy Army lends something to the atmosphere...a bunch of drunken lobsters with a penchant for singing amusing, yet sadly misled songs!

[stoopicus]

I think Invisible Touch is the group's undisputed masterpiece. It's an epic meditation on intangibility. At the same time, it deepens and enriches the meaning of the preceding three albums.

Seriously? I've only heard the title track but it's one of the most crassly commercial songs I can think of, typical of what I imagine most people would hate about the 80s.

By that I mean both Genesis in their early days – with Peter Gabriel – and
in the trilogy with Rutherford, Banks & Collins. But the solo projects of
Rutherford (Mike & The Mechanics) and Phil Collins (many of them) are
also fantastic.

But not Gabriel? For my money he's head and shoulders above the other twats. Collins' solo work, in particular, is as cringeworthy as anything from the 80s.

I don't like to harsh on things other people like, but I absolutely agree with all of this, I thought Collins' solo work was entirely disposable radio fluff back then and still do. Peter Gabriel was much better and his music still stands up pretty well.

Genesis never interested me for the same reason but I basically only heard their pop phase.

[jancivil]

I'm not goling to belabor the point, and I don't need to persuade anybody, but you look at the Top Forty from say 1975 and there is all this variety and things you would not put in any pop bin basically this century, vs now where everything is conforming to... something. I'm not a sociologist and I don't much care (seems the death rattle of late stage capitalism). It's objectively wildly TF different. So you can say it's the same old, 'older people just like their time and reject the new' like your parents reacted against rock 'n roll or whatever, but this is not critical thinking, it's a dumb fcking strawman.
My parents weren't your or anybody else's parents and I'm not you. I resemble exactly nothing of that tired story.

[Gamma-UT]

Here we go again. The Top 40 is all music. Did someone mention “strawman”?

[Bunny_boy]

[was trying to be funny, but it looked a bit critical]