Available now: Tone2 Saurus4 analog synthesizer

[chagzuki]

- You can change the saturation by clicking on the SOFT button next to the resonance knob.
- You can also add non-linearity by using the 'FEEDBA.' knob (= nonlinear feedback) on the top right of the filter section.

Yeah, I'll have to spend more time with the demo. The feedback control seems to make sounds really come to life in a way that's unique.
I was thinking something more like control of odd/even harmonics, or tubey/solid state kind of thing. Friendly warm vs unfriendly cold. Maybe the 'soft' control is already doing that (it says additional non-linearity and saturation)?

Love the fact that the unison modes maintain volume level, small things like that make a big difference. However, it would be nice for it to remember pan settings when cycling through unison modes.

[koalaboy]

The CPU demand on Tone2 synths is exactly the same - no matter what samplerate you use.

Not in any DAW I have ever run. Just like pretty much every other plugin, there is increased CPU as the sample rate increases (assuming setting the overall DAW sample rate).

As much as your synths are great and very effcient, it seems disingenuous to suggest that doubling the sample rate will not affect CPU.

[Trancit]

The CPU demand on Tone2 synths is exactly the same - no matter what samplerate you use.

Not in any DAW I have ever run. Just like pretty much every other plugin, there is increased CPU as the sample rate increases (assuming setting the overall DAW sample rate).

As much as your synths are great and very effcient, it seems disingenuous to suggest that doubling the sample rate will not affect CPU.

+1

I just ran a demo project of a DAW and setting it to 96 instead of 44.1kHz has exactly doubled the CPU... from 27% to 54% (internal DAW CPU readout) of my Ryzen 5900X...

I think Dan Worral had a video about this topic too and if I remember right he came to the same conclusion:
Oversampling = thing which has to happen inside of plugins which benefit from it
Oversampling the whole DAW = Overkill with little to no benefits

[D-Fusion]

Using Higher samplerates and downsampling is the digital version of using golden monster cables in the past.

[Tone2 Synthesizers]

I just ran a demo project of a DAW and setting it to 96 instead of 44.1kHz has exactly doubled the CPU... from 27% to 54% (internal DAW CPU readout) of my Ryzen 5900X...

Plugin used: Saurus, in standalone mode. Playing 16 voices with long release time with 4x unsion (=64 voices) on my Ryzen:
44kHz: 19% CPU on a single core
96kHz: 20% CPU on a single core

Plugin used: Saurus, in standalone mode. Playing 1 voices :
44kHz: 2% CPU on a single core
96kHz: 2-3% CPU on a single core

Saurus 4.1 sounds exactly the same in any samplerate and needs nearly no CPU. Your "issue" here is a non-issue as you can use any samplerate you like.

[El°HYM]

I think Dan Worral had a video about this topic too and if I remember right he came to the same conclusion:
Oversampling = thing which has to happen inside of plugins which benefit from it
Oversampling the whole DAW = Overkill with little to no benefits

To be more accurate, Dan narrated a video by FabFilter, which indeed are known for adequate and well implemented oversampling in their plugins. Your claim still falls apart with every plugin using sloppy oversampling, poor anti aliasing filters and all the resulting artifacts created by that.

[koalaboy]

I just ran a demo project of a DAW and setting it to 96 instead of 44.1kHz has exactly doubled the CPU... from 27% to 54% (internal DAW CPU readout) of my Ryzen 5900X...

Plugin used: Saurus, in standalone mode. Playing 16 voices with long release time with 4x unsion (=64 voices) on my Ryzen:
44kHz: 19% CPU on a single core
96kHz: 20% CPU on a single core

Plugin used: Saurus, in standalone mode. Playing 1 voices :
44kHz: 2% CPU on a single core
96kHz: 2-3% CPU on a single core

Saurus 4.1 sounds exactly the same in any samplerate and needs nearly no CPU. Your "issue" here is a non-issue as you can use any samplerate you like.

Most people don't use standalone, but plugins.

[Morty-C-137]

I think Dan Worral had a video about this topic too and if I remember right he came to the same conclusion:
Oversampling = thing which has to happen inside of plugins which benefit from it
Oversampling the whole DAW = Overkill with little to no benefits

To be more accurate, Dan narrated a video by FabFilter, which indeed are known for adequate and well implemented oversampling in their plugins. Your claim still falls apart with every plugin using sloppy oversampling, poor anti aliasing filters and all the resulting artifacts created by that.

Can anyone share a link to that video perhaps?

[Morty-C-137]

A public beta for Saurus 4.1 is available.

Free beta download (limitations: you can't save):
https://www.tone2.com/demo/Tone2_Saurus4_demo_Mac.pkg

This package actually installed v1.0 on my M1 Mac?

[El°HYM]

[BONES]

Most people don't use standalone, but plugins.

What this should tell you, if you have even half a brain, is that Saurus itself is clearly not the problem.

[Tone2 Synthesizers]

Plugin used: Saurus, in standalone mode. Playing 16 voices with long release time with 4x unsion (=64 voices) on my Ryzen:
44kHz: 19% CPU on a single core
96kHz: 20% CPU on a single core

Plugin used: Saurus, in standalone mode. Playing 1 voices :
44kHz: 2% CPU on a single core
96kHz: 2-3% CPU on a single core

Saurus 4.1 sounds exactly the same in any samplerate and needs nearly no CPU. Your "issue" here is a non-issue as you can use any samplerate you like.

Most people don't use standalone, but plugins.

The standalone is a minimalistic DAW (Nanohost) that loads Saurus as a plugin.

[Tone2 Synthesizers]

This package actually installed v1.0 on my M1 Mac?

To view the version number:
- Open the plugin
- Click on FILE->show version number
- It should say 4.1

[Trancit]

I think Dan Worral had a video about this topic too and if I remember right he came to the same conclusion:
Oversampling = thing which has to happen inside of plugins which benefit from it
Oversampling the whole DAW = Overkill with little to no benefits

To be more accurate, Dan narrated a video by FabFilter, which indeed are known for adequate and well implemented oversampling in their plugins. Your claim still falls apart with every plugin using sloppy oversampling, poor anti aliasing filters and all the resulting artifacts created by that.

I am sorry, but... if plugins not working the way I want I choose the one that does what I want...

If my hammer is broken and therefore causes that I hit my hand instead of the nail I do not put on thick gloves in summer time with 40 degrees Celcius or over 100 degrees Fahrenheit... I just take a better hammer!
Just because a plugin doesn´t work correctly I don´t waste the double CPU for my whole project... I just take a proper plugin!

[Tone2 Synthesizers]

@all others:
4.1 Saurus has no issues at all. It is rock solid. It offers perfect sound quality in any samplerate. It also has extremely low CPU.
Please stick on the topic. It is about Saurus, not other products. If you want to discuss about oversampling start a new thread.