Absynth 6

[Milkman]

AI development tools could make a future Reaktor update economically viable. They're probably already using AI for some tasks.

Does anyone here friendly with Brian know if he used AI assistance for A6?

This would sink Reaktor further, which is a reason why Absynth6 didnt include any. They know better. 'Economically viable' means long term, not just short term bubble-investor cash lol.

[ksandvik]

I would not 'vibe-code' Sw plugins at this point of time -- you need to know what the code does, and we are not talking about ephemeral javascript web pages.

[Broken]

AI development tools could make a future Reaktor update economically viable. They're probably already using AI for some tasks.

Does anyone here friendly with Brian know if he used AI assistance for A6?

This would sink Reaktor further, which is a reason why Absynth6 didnt include any. They know better. 'Economically viable' means long term, not just short term bubble-investor cash lol.

I was referring to some type of in-house AI coding tools (not vibe coding) to help with converting the old Reaktor code to something more modern, not suggesting NI should add AI to Reaktor as a feature.

Anyway, EvilDragon turned nascent hopium into brutal copium. It's over.

[faxinadu]

There are other ways to get creative with the technology inside Reaktor, without updating Reaktor as an application, which would be 100% the way to re-use some of this.

For the keen observers, the two latest filters in Kontakt are Monark and SKF, familiar right?

Don't hold you breath for more of this, but just saying...

[parma]

If they can just maintain Reaktor to work with current gen OSes, I'd be a happy camper. I know Apple makes this difficult with their yearly update cycle. NI still haven't given the go ahead with Tahoe on their active products let alone Reaktor. I just hope that they see that Reaktor holds a special place in electronic music history and deserves to carry on.

I think I said this earlier in the thread but it bears repeating that there are still a few Reaktor devs out there making awesome stuff with it that doesn't even look like Reaktor - Blinksonic, Tim Exile, Twisted Tools (until fairly recently). And every once in a while there's a gem that pops up in the User Library.

[zerocrossing]

Reaktor GUI is several orders of magnitude more complex than anything else NI has ever made. So yes, overhauling that would be a multi-year effort that would never really result in equal or higher returns.

There are some ways to improve parts of it UI wise (the most important one: ensemble panels), but I would not hope for a full GUI overhaul to ever materialize.

Some people may consider Reaktor as the best product NI ever made, but sales numbers never ever showed that, even when Reaktor was much more relevant, Kontakt had way better sales, and that simply continues to be the case.

When you say, "sales numbers," do you mean just Reaktor, or all the made-in-Reaktor instruments, like Monark?

I always wondered why NI never sold sets of Reaktor Blocks presets. Maybe include a new module, but used in a cool way with a bunch of snapshots. It would be a nice way to bring Reaktor to people who don't really care that much about wiring up their own sets of Blocks.

[machinesworking]

I was referring to some type of in-house AI coding tools (not vibe coding) to help with converting the old Reaktor code to something more modern, not suggesting NI should add AI to Reaktor as a feature.

Anyway, EvilDragon turned nascent hopium into brutal copium. It's over.

I wonder about this too, but I also wonder if the AI license agreement explicitly states it can analyze your code to help others? I get that lines of code is a thing, but I doubt most companies want to offer over anything innovative they did in hopes of fixing old code that may not sell well.

I mean there's been a huge amount of goofy IMO statements made about Absynth in this thread related to peoples misconception that all old code is somehow worse etc. Comparing Absynth to synths it's not ever going to be and never tried to be, then concluding it's "dated". I could see why larger plugin companies like NI can be beholden to cost VS reward, and that for us end users is just a big plate of suck.

Reaktor remains the one object oriented high level programing environment that isn't tied to Ableton Live only, a DAW agnostic VST/AU plugin. Watching as it's developers decide it's not worth their time is a sad panda thing. I'm pretty set on the idea of staying on Sequoia so as long as Reaktor is on this machine I should be fine, but IMO this is the only kinda suck part of software, it's dependant on these complex computers instead of dedicated chips or hardware components that never really fail.

[crawlingwind]

Shouldn’t the Reaktor chat be elsewhere?

[Milkman]

AI development tools could make a future Reaktor update economically viable. They're probably already using AI for some tasks.

Does anyone here friendly with Brian know if he used AI assistance for A6?

This would sink Reaktor further, which is a reason why Absynth6 didnt include any. They know better. 'Economically viable' means long term, not just short term bubble-investor cash lol.

I was referring to some type of in-house AI coding tools (not vibe coding) to help with converting the old Reaktor code to something more modern, not suggesting NI should add AI to Reaktor as a feature.

Anyway, EvilDragon turned nascent hopium into brutal copium. It's over.

AI anything is the problem, and there are no versions of it that escape this reality. The current flavor is no different than the last. Nothing is 'over', lol.

[enCiphered]

Shouldn’t the Reaktor chat be elsewhere?

Yeah.. Honestly impressive how fast NI product threads can mutate into “I don’t work at NI, but let me explain why they definitely will / definitely won’t do X, based on vibes, gut feelings and a YouTube thumbnail I once saw.”

Please return all imaginary insider badges at the door.
Absynth thread - Absynth discussion.

[noiseboyuk]

Shouldn’t the Reaktor chat be elsewhere?

Quite right yes - now here viewtopic.php?t=626553

[Broken]

AI anything is the problem, and there are no versions of it that escape this reality. The current flavor is no different than the last. Nothing is 'over', lol.

Ironically, your comments are what I'd expect from a buggy first gen AI chatbot that was trained on 4chan posts.

[enCiphered]

[vurt]

Anyway, EvilDragon turned nascent hopium into brutal copium. It's over.

i like evil dragon, but, and im sure he will admit, he is not a god, so is as flawed as all of us, so can be wrong!!!
or as i suggested earlier, has gone truly evil and is just ruining xmas.

[liquidsound]

Anyway, EvilDragon turned nascent hopium into brutal copium. It's over.

i like evil dragon, but, and im sure he will admit, he is not a god, so is as flawed as all of us, so can be wrong!!!
or as i suggested earlier, has gone truly evil and is just ruining xmas.

What would you expect…
Winter is coming!!!