Logic Pro 11.2(.2)

[chagzuki]

Dude! f**king Grok has already praised f**king Hitler - and you call it "damn good"?

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/ ... m-x-ntwnfb

Apologies for continuing the OT.

For example:
So far I've had damn good/extremely sophisticated results with abstract philosophical questions. E.g. to what extent Wittgenstein's later philosophical views on epistemology and general rejection of metaphysics can be considered compatible with Deleuze's attempt to develop a metaphysics along the lines of Kant's notion of synthetic a priori judgements.
Grok praised Hitler and also gave me a great response to that question.

I'm not sure if you're emphasising one of the two concerns: that the model is trained in a way which reflects and exaggerates Musk's politics, and that LLMs are fundamentally dysfunctional. Both of those can be discussions in the OT forum.

It looks like 2026 is the year in which these things become the main topic of mainstream discussion, and now that I started watching more of this sort of content, YouTube is throwing loads of it at me.

I see that MMT folk such as Richard Murphy and Steve Keen have started talking about it. I notice also that Richard Murphy, as he makes a video about what he sees the likely dire economic repercussions of AI, says that he uses it and finds it useful. Steve Keen mentions that he guesses that it will have huge benefits in the medical realm, but also also frames it in terms of how it can remove labour from the capital/labour dynamic, i.e. similarly to the way Bernie Sanders talks about it, which is more or less that everyone loses except a few rich tech dudes, unless government steps in.

The thing which I'm not yet seeing much discussion about is how much new labour can be created in the designing of tools which use AI. For instance, how many jobs can be created which put AI to specific use for the purposes of eliminating diseases and extending life. There doesn't seem to be much of a limit in terms of the demand for health-related services. What can happen when a lot of resources get reallocated to that?

On top of that, robotics seems to still be at a very clunky state. How much specialised robotics can be created which requires specialised AI software and training, and what percentage of the population can work in this field? Does all that specialisation get subsumed by a few big tech companies, or is there more of a local/small scale movement whereby tools get designed and trained for unique use cases?

How many jobs can be created in the integration of AI with traditional tools, and the constant/ongoing refinement of that integration? What will the state of refinement be in a few years, and what will the software world look like?
You could consider that in relation to audio software. Will the application of AI in the audio realm have the net effect of eliminating jobs, or will the space continue to thrive as AI gets incorporated into tools in ever-more specialised ways?

I have no idea, but 2026 looks like the moment when all these things become the main focus.
And people will have to start making decisions around how useful are AI tools, which to use, whether to run them locally, which companies to boycott, which operating systems to use, who to vote for... all that jazz.

[Sascha Franck]

I have no idea, but 2026 looks like the moment when all these things become the main focus.

Sure. And not for good, so much is for certain (just take a look in which hands all relevant AIs are).

[Johnnyjohn]

(additional) subscription model announced and new icon spotted, so I guess a new update is finally awaiting

https://www.apple.com/apple-creator-studio/

Coming by the end of the month

[MillerSam]

There is already a teaser of the new features: AI Synth Player, and more
https://synthanatomy.com/2026/01/apple- ... ption.html

[Sascha Franck]

(additional) subscription model announced and new icon spotted, so I guess a new update is finally awaiting

Might just be the emperors new clothes.

[Sascha Franck]

There is already a teaser of the new features: AI Synth Player, and more
https://synthanatomy.com/2026/01/apple- ... ption.html

Oh - more AI stuff. Just what people have been asking for. Not.

[elxsound]

It’s great that regular one-time purchases remain, but I can’t say I’m not nervous that will change.

We got rid of Microsoft office tools because of the subscriptions and now they include pages in that shit.

Otherwise, I’ve finally moved away from Final Cut. I’ve never fully used Logic, so the only issue I have is concern for are the competing office products and really the state of the music software industry.

Everyone is pushing the AI shit so hard, but both Microsoft and Apple have longstanding issues in their OS, their individual apps and their hardware. They’re not improving things, they’re just pushing new products and subscription fees.

[jules99]

From what I understand, at least some of these new AI features will only be available to those who get the subscription.

[elxsound]

From what I understand, at least some of these new AI features will only be available to those who get the subscription.

That’s what I was guessing would happen. Similar to how Adobe split off their product line. Perpetual licenses still available for a frozen-in-time featured application.

[jules99]

And from what I understand from this support document, we will be at Logic Pro 12 once all of this releases (Jan 28): https://support.apple.com/de-de/125029

[Sascha Franck]

From what I understand, at least some of these new AI features will only be available to those who get the subscription.

Yeah well, someone needs to pay those huge server bills. But it won't be me.
The day they have some essential features tied to whatever subscription services, I'll be trashing Logic, even after all these decades. I'm not gonna pay for what I think of as being partially the worst that happened to mankind in the last century.

[audio/fault]

From what I understand, at least some of these new AI features will only be available to those who get the subscription.

I understood, that only applies to the iWork apps like numbers and pages.
Though i don’t need that new AI features i‘d hate, if there would be two logic versions in the Future.

[jules99]

From what I understand, at least some of these new AI features will only be available to those who get the subscription.

Yeah well, someone needs to pay those huge server bills. But it won't be me.
The day they have some essential features tied to whatever subscription services, I'll be trashing Logic, even after all these decades. I'm not gonna pay for what I think of as being partially the worst that happened to mankind in the last century.

But aren't all of these features offline? As in, the session players, the stem separation, all of this happens on the machine? Or are you referring to something else?

[Serhii Kot]

How much do Logic Pro and MainStage cost?
Logic Pro and MainStage are part of Apple Creator Studio, a suite of powerful creative apps that also includes Final Cut Pro, Pixelmator Pro, and more. You can try Apple Creator Studio free for 30 days. After your trial, new subscribers pay $12.99 per month or $129 per year. Educator and student subscriptions are $2.99 per month or $29.99 per year.
Alternatively, Logic Pro for Mac is available as a standalone app for $199.99. And MainStage for Mac is available as a standalone app for $29.99.

Probably next version of logic will not be free guys.

[cryophonik]

Meh, I'm not bothered by AI or subscriptions. These new tools are primarily for beginners and hobbyists, so as long as they keep the full version available for more serious/pro use, it's no skin off my back.