KVR Audio

ksandvik · Post by **ksandvik** » Wed Jan 14, 2026 5:51 am

Looking at the new features mentioned, I would never pay $199 for that.... Doubt any other LPX users would.

Morty-C-137 · Post by **Morty-C-137** » Wed Jan 14, 2026 6:39 am

machinesworking wrote: Wed Jan 14, 2026 4:58 am I'm curious if 11 is the end of free Logic Pro updates? My guess is yes, Logic 12 will be $199, because otherwise the base audience for Logic Pro, it's longtime users, will not subscribe.

I'm thinking the same.

Sascha Franck · Post by **Sascha Franck** » Wed Jan 14, 2026 8:42 am

apoclypse wrote: Wed Jan 14, 2026 4:26 am Which Sample Editor are you talking about?

The internal one coming up when you edit an audiofile.

Sascha Franck · Post by **Sascha Franck** » Wed Jan 14, 2026 8:48 am

machinesworking wrote: Wed Jan 14, 2026 4:58 am I'm curious if 11 is the end of free Logic Pro updates? My guess is yes, Logic 12 will be $199, because otherwise the base audience for Logic Pro, it's longtime users, will not subscribe.

Could be a kinda "new round" starting with L12 - with some years of free updates to follow.

But then...

ksandvik wrote: Wed Jan 14, 2026 5:51 am Looking at the new features mentioned, I would never pay $199 for that.... Doubt any other LPX users would.

This. So far, what's known about the new features is anything but promising. More lame AI things which will never get fixed in case there's issues, apparently no significant new things other DAWs already come with.
And I'd bet it's still the very same engine, hence lousy time stretching and pitch shifting, lousy audio editing, bugs not adressed, probably still no working ARA support, etc.

I'm open for a positive surprise but I doubt there'll be much.

Sascha Franck · Post by **Sascha Franck** » Wed Jan 14, 2026 8:57 am

Apparently, some features of the apps in the Creator Bundle will only be available to subscribers.

https://www.macrumors.com/2026/01/13/ap ... -features/

No mentioning of any Logic features so far, but I could imagine this to come. Say, for something like an AI singer (which Cubase 15 already has). Or maybe for some sound content, too.

LoveEnigma18 · Post by **LoveEnigma18** » Wed Jan 14, 2026 10:00 am

machinesworking wrote: Wed Jan 14, 2026 4:58 am I'm curious if 11 is the end of free Logic Pro updates? My guess is yes, Logic 12 will be $199, because otherwise the base audience for Logic Pro, it's longtime users, will not subscribe.

I have a feeling it will be a free upgrade to 12 and updates will remain free. Not sure if there will be feature differences between perpetual and subscription versions going forward though. If they are AI and sound content related anyway, I don't think anyone (here at least) would be bothered.

revvy · Post by **revvy** » Wed Jan 14, 2026 10:02 am

From the same MacRumors article:

“ There are some exceptions, as Apple says Logic Pro and MainStage will have all the same features whether they are subscription or one-time-purchase versions.

It looks like most if not all of the new features that will be limited to Creator Studio subscribers will be powered by AI, as Apple repeatedly describes them as "intelligent" features. The apps are continuing to receive other new features that do not require a subscription over time, so one-time purchasers are not completely left out.”

LoveEnigma18 · Post by **LoveEnigma18** » Wed Jan 14, 2026 10:11 am

Sascha Franck wrote: Wed Jan 14, 2026 8:57 am Apparently, some features of the apps in the Creator Bundle will only be available to subscribers.

https://www.macrumors.com/2026/01/13/ap ... -features/

No mentioning of any Logic features so far, but I could imagine this to come. Say, for something like an AI singer (which Cubase 15 already has). Or maybe for some sound content, too.

A one-time purchase will still be available, but access to some of the premium content is available only to Apple Creator Studio subscribers. If you already own Final Cut Pro, it will continue to be updated.

There are some exceptions, as Apple says Logic Pro and MainStage will have all the same features whether they are subscription or one-time-purchase versions.

If this is true, it's good. And kinda indicates Logic Pro updates will be free for perpetual license owners. Let's hope so.

Sascha Franck · Post by **Sascha Franck** » Wed Jan 14, 2026 10:34 am

LoveEnigma18 wrote: Wed Jan 14, 2026 10:11 am If this is true, it's good. And kinda indicates Logic Pro updates will be free for perpetual license owners. Let's hope so.

Well, featurewise that might be true. But I could imagine that things related to "content" (such as additional voices for the singing AI - something I'd almost bet will come one day rather sooner than later) would be subscription-only.

LoveEnigma18 · Post by **LoveEnigma18** » Wed Jan 14, 2026 2:38 pm

Sascha Franck wrote: Wed Jan 14, 2026 10:34 am
LoveEnigma18 wrote: Wed Jan 14, 2026 10:11 am If this is true, it's good. And kinda indicates Logic Pro updates will be free for perpetual license owners. Let's hope so.
Well, featurewise that might be true. But I could imagine that things related to "content" (such as additional voices for the singing AI - something I'd almost bet will come one day rather sooner than later) would be subscription-only.

Yes, mainly interested in features. Anything that is AI related or we have other options for is not a problem.

As it is an "upgrade" this time, I am really hoping we get some new features apart from the AI enhancements mentioned in the articles/website so far.

apoclypse · Post by **apoclypse** » Wed Jan 14, 2026 3:02 pm

Morty-C-137 wrote: Wed Jan 14, 2026 6:39 am
machinesworking wrote: Wed Jan 14, 2026 4:58 am I'm curious if 11 is the end of free Logic Pro updates? My guess is yes, Logic 12 will be $199, because otherwise the base audience for Logic Pro, it's longtime users, will not subscribe.
I'm thinking the same.

I'm fine with that. We got like 13 years of basically free updates.

Proteinshake · Post by **Proteinshake** » Wed Jan 14, 2026 3:16 pm

apoclypse wrote: Wed Jan 14, 2026 3:02 pm I'm fine with that. We got like 13 years of basically free updates.

Wow, I'll hope there's at least some grace period .. not seeing myself forking out another cent after 3 months of basically no updates.

apoclypse · Post by **apoclypse** » Wed Jan 14, 2026 3:38 pm

Proteinshake wrote: Wed Jan 14, 2026 3:16 pm
apoclypse wrote: Wed Jan 14, 2026 3:02 pm I'm fine with that. We got like 13 years of basically free updates.
Wow, I'll hope there's at least some grace period .. not seeing myself forking out another cent after 3 months of basically no updates.

I'm not sure what you mean here? Have you not been receiving free updates for Logic? They usually release 2 updates per year. I can understand if you just bought Logic this would be annoying. However I've owned LPX since release (2013), I'm not going to complain about them not giving me updates for free. Especially if you compare what we got with LPX on release and where we are now.

Ploki · Post by **Ploki** » Wed Jan 14, 2026 3:45 pm

I want:
-ARA integration
-fixed AAF import
-fixed waveform rendering

instead i get AI slop.
I'm slowly thinking of jumping this train

Proteinshake · Post by **Proteinshake** » Wed Jan 14, 2026 3:48 pm

apoclypse wrote: Wed Jan 14, 2026 3:38 pm I'm not sure what you mean here? Have you not been receiving free updates for Logic? They usually release 2 updates per year. I can understand if you just bought Logic this would be annoying.

Exactly, Logic 11 was at its final version when I switched end of October .. so that would have been a pricy mistake and also my last one, haha.

After 13 years of free updates - hell yeah, I'd say that was one hell of a deal!

Logic Pro 11.2(.2)