SSL AutoSeries (Bus, Dynamics, EQ)

[dionenoid]

How many different bus compressor plugins that are basically all the same does SSL now sell? A dozen?

It's even worse. This is the exact same bus compressor as the older version, on GS it's confirmed that they null.

This new version only has the Sonible "smart" thing build-in, at the cost of some other functions.

Because apparently there's ppl who need smart functionality to put it on 30ms attack and auto release...

[stippenstoh]

It should null, the whole idea is having the same SSL bus comp but with AI assisted settings.
I don't think it's aimed at people who already have one (and know how to use it).

[Trancit]

It should null, the whole idea is having the same SSL bus comp but with AI assisted settings.
I don't think it's aimed at people who already have one (and know how to use it).

I am sorry, but anybody needing "AI" for something like a bus compressor has some serious problems.

I understand with products like iZotope that setting up several modules in the right way might be a bit troublesome for unexperienced users but with a simple compressor??
Is setting up 4 knobs already too much?
if you are having trouble to set up such a simple task to your liking, how will you know if "AI" is giving you an at least acceptable result?? I mean in the past the settings of such "AIs" were mostly not very reliable...

[stippenstoh]

I don't disagree, especially for the bus comp, but I still see use in it, certainly for the other two plugins.

I mean in the past the settings of such "AIs" were mostly not very reliable...

Sonible's algo is great, their smart series actually works as advertised. None of these tools are meant to give an end result but a good starting point for any input.

[Trancit]

Sonible's algo is great, their smart series actually works as advertised. None of these tools are meant to give an end result but a good starting point for any input.

I haven´t tested them and never will ... I just know judgements from users having posted their impressions...

Nonetheless I heavily disagree with any "use" one can make out of them...
Nobody experienced (I don´t mean necessarily experts while it doesn´t harm) will probably have any need for this kind of "AI" apart from perhaps curiosity or lazyness and for everybody not experienced it just does one lonely thing: Take away the need to learn stuff properly yourself and trust that the "AI" thingie would be good enough for your needs!
It just "unlearns" people from being able to use such tools properly on their own which wasn´t a problem for decades for everybody a little bit interested in producing music...

it´s really not that hard to learn how to compress or EQ stuff and when you know you simply don´t need "a starting point"...

but anyway... different people different taste... I just don´t think this is the right way...

[stippenstoh]

That's the whole point, they help unexperienced people. Not everyone is an expert with years of experience, some people make music for fun, others use these tools for voice in video/film. There clearly is a use case, in the case of Sonible I can attest that it works and makes thing much easier for many people.

Experts don't need them, obviously.

[Aloysius]

But how would an inexperienced person know that the plugin is doing what they want? Would they look at a preset name and think, oh, I heard someone talking about mix-glue and there's a presets here called glue, so maybe I should use that but why would I want mix-glue in the first place and how would I know it's giving me the glue that I didn't even know I wanted to begin with?

[Trancit]

That's the whole point, they help unexperienced people...

No they don´t... they just make you feel you wouldn´t need to finally sit down 10 minutes and learn how this stuff works... it really doesn´t take much longer...

But how would an inexperienced person know that the plugin is doing what they want? Would they look at a preset name and think, oh, I heard someone talking about mix-glue and there's a presets here called glue, so maybe I should use that but why would I want mix-glue in the first place and how would I know it's giving me the glue that I didn't even know I wanted to begin with?

They can´t ... and that´s the self betraying with such plugins...
Doing the right settings needs a bit of practice and know how... training of your hearing, knowing what this process actually does and practicing what changes in sound when tweaking those parameters...
Using such plugins means or at least is a risk that you never feel the need to learn it yourself properly and simply trust that they make the right decisions for you...

And this is where this whole "starting point" excuse falls apart:
If in first case it´s for unexperienced users who feel obviously unable to set 4 parameters to what they want, how can they further tweak this "starting point" if they are unable to at least come to this starting point themselves?
This is nonsense! Not knowing how to come to this point means not knowing how to continue from that point for the better other than hoping for a happy accident...

[pekbro]

I think you guys are probably overthinking this... heh

[oobesan]

It should null, the whole idea is having the same SSL bus comp but with AI assisted settings.
I don't think it's aimed at people who already have one (and know how to use it).

I am sorry, but anybody needing "AI" for something like a bus compressor has some serious problems.

I understand with products like iZotope that setting up several modules in the right way might be a bit troublesome for unexperienced users but with a simple compressor??
Is setting up 4 knobs already too much?
if you are having trouble to set up such a simple task to your liking, how will you know if "AI" is giving you an at least acceptable result?? I mean in the past the settings of such "AIs" were mostly not very reliable...

[stippenstoh]

I think there is no use discussing this anymore with people who refuse to even try it for some emotional reasons.