Sonar will not apply certain effects to specific clips

[johnmorales]

This is an odd problem, and I will do my best to be clear.

I record an audio clip.

When I apply certain plug in effects. Some will work, some will not. It seems FXreverb,Sonatis Reverb for example will not effect the clip.

I can use the more basic reverb, the one called just "reverb" fine, however.

When I apply FXreverb. I get the "dry" sound just fine. It's the "wet" signal. That doesn't come through. It sounds like somewhere. The volume is turned way down. The "wet" sound is there, but it is barely audible.

I've tried several things to figure it out. Keep in mind this is during the original recording phase. I'm not submixing or anything. I'm recording tracks and applying effects, and will bounce down later as processor usage gets high.

First thing I tried was putting the clip on a track where the FXreverb worked fine. The result was it would NOT work on that clip. It still worked fine on the clip. That was there originally.

Then I did the reverse. I dragged the clip that FXreverb effected fine to the track. Where I recorded the clip. That I first had problems with FXreverb. With the same result. FXreverb had no problem with this clip, but would cease to work. When it got to the clip ON THE SAME TRACK. That it could not effect properly.

I could not find anything in the manuals or help. That mentioned this. To me it seemed like some sort of send or audio routing problem, but I was doing very little of that, and previously everything worked great.

I had NOT altered my system, added or subtracted any equipment prior to this problem occuring.

So I called tech support, on a lark. The techsupport guy said try bouncing down the clip to a new track. I was pleasantly surprised to find I could effect the new clip with FXreverb. I thought problem solved, but not so fast!!!

On subsequent clips. Where I had the same problem. Bouncing down to track did not work.

I've tried removing the effects before bouncing, or leaving them on. Tht didn't work.

This seems a "clip specific" problem. Once a clip is recorded. It just will not allow itself to be processed by certain plugins. Others work fine.

The problem seems to be something in the "output" of the "wet" signal. The dry signal comes through FXreverb loud and clear.

Any ideas as to what is happening?

I'm wondering if this is an artifact of heavy processor usage. The heavier the load on the processor the more problematic Sonar's implimentation of plug ins will be or it could be that a plug in demands a certain amount of Attn. from the processor. For all to work well. Once the usage gets up there. Could Sonar be setting it's ass down first in line and depriving certain plug ins who require priority access of the power they need to work fully. This is speculation. I do not know that this is the problem.

Anyone?

[WillieJenkins]

This seems like a highly specific problem. Have you tried posting @ the cakewalk forum?

Also, if you post the clips you're talking about (or PM them to me) I'd be happy to try it on my system?

This sounds very strange.

[johnmorales]

I will post to the Cakewalk forums, but I since the posts are overwhelmingly posts from people who are more beginners either in the understanding and use of the software or computers in general. I know I know, I was a beginner too once, but that was backin '87. LOL Generally the discourse here on any issue seems to be on a level or two higher than there.

I will transfer the post over there soon though. I won't know until I try.

I'd be glad to send you a clip. That won't effect properly, but I've never seen the "PM" before. What does that mean as a way of sending?

[APK77]

I assume you are putting these effects in the track FX bin and they are not send effects.

I'd suggest, with FxReverb that you make sure the bypass button isn't engaged on the plugin and that you have the mix slider up. And that you are on a preset that actually does something noticeable. Yes, basic stuff, but perhaps worth checking.

[APK77]

I don't think the Sonar engine would cut an effect because of the load, its engine would cut out first to let you know it was overloaded.

[WillieJenkins]

if you look next to my name you'll see 'pm' as a link, this means you'd send a message to me privately, as opposed to publicly on the forum.

Also, KVR + Sonar isn't the best IMO. Most of KVRians are either Logic/Cubase converts, or smaller-host (FLSTudio, Podium, Orion, Tracktion, EnergyXT etc) enthusiasts. If you post about Sonar here, you'll mostly get negative reaction from people who haven't used Cakewalk products since Pro Audio 4.

While I agree the Sonar forum knows nothing about plugins and effects for the most part (I got your back Ben ) I would say that KVR knows equally nothing about Sonar.

I only am posting this because, when I first started out I used KVR as my main messageboard, and was consistently told to NOT use Sonar, how piss poor it was ,how it was a toy, blah blah blah. When in reality it can hold its own, if not trump anything out there. If I had only known not to listen to people here earlier about Sonar, then I'd have been better off in the beginning

That said, there are probably about 10 of us here that really know and *USE* Sonar daily, and are self-titled 'Sonar Fanboys', so keep on the lookout for us, and we'll treat you right

[johnmorales]

I assume you are putting these effects in the track FX bin and they are not send effects.

I'd suggest, with FxReverb that you make sure the bypass button isn't engaged on the plugin and that you have the mix slider up. And that you are on a preset that actually does something noticeable. Yes, basic stuff, but perhaps worth checking.

Yes of course I did that. I even searched to see if there are some sort of volume controls for that specific effect. And yes I put it in the effects bin, NOT send effects. Remember I am not doing any type of submix, just basic tracks with plug ins in the effects bin.

[WillieJenkins]

yeah you know what john, you're a jerk, go back and read my posts, I answered pretty much every one that you posted, I asked you to send me audio files, I asked which vstis you'd use and told you I'd load them for you.

You were asking for logic in an earlier post, and I was trying to logically describe to you that there are thousands of not tens of thousands of sonar uses, when 2-5 people on any given forum have an issue, most of the time its user error.

I asked you for all these things, and spent time writing replies to your posts, trying to help you, and that crap is what you respond with?

You're a truly pathetic human being, I'm through with you. Good luck in solving your problems with anger and hate. I tried to be nice, you seeming didn't care, so since you feel you can be an unprovoked moron to me, I'll be an equally provoked ignorant fool back.

[johnmorales]

if you look next to my name you'll see 'pm' as a link, this means you'd send a message to me privately, as opposed to publicly on the forum.

Also, KVR + Sonar isn't the best IMO. Most of KVRians are either Logic/Cubase converts, or smaller-host (FLSTudio, Podium, Orion, Tracktion, EnergyXT etc) enthusiasts. If you post about Sonar here, you'll mostly get negative reaction from people who haven't used Cakewalk products since Pro Audio 4.

While I agree the Sonar forum knows nothing about plugins and effects for the most part (I got your back Ben ) I would say that KVR knows equally nothing about Sonar.

I only am posting this because, when I first started out I used KVR as my main messageboard, and was consistently told to NOT use Sonar, how piss poor it was ,how it was a toy, blah blah blah. When in reality it can hold its own, if not trump anything out there. If I had only known not to listen to people here earlier about Sonar, then I'd have been better off in the beginning

That said, there are probably about 10 of us here that really know and *USE* Sonar daily, and are self-titled 'Sonar Fanboys', so keep on the lookout for us, and we'll treat you right

LOL, the joke is on you SONAR FANBOY. You are EXACTLY as I pegged you and no doubt so is whiterabbit(?) You are a SHILL (a slang word meaning - someone who pretends to have NO association or bias or personal interest in a product in order to gain the validity of a truly unbiased or uninterested individual on said topic of discussion.)

You are clearly PRO-Sonar, and your agenda is to get people to buy Sonar, not help. Your sole purpose is to flame. Those who has the nerve to say something bad about Sonar, or suggest. They have a legitamete problem. Your other technique is to flood any such poster with tedious replies. With the sole purpose of making it difficult for those to read what I wrote, without wading through your attacking and insulting Sonar Propaganda posts. You want to make sure people hear the Sonar side first.

So let me guess, at the very least you and your gang get free copies of Sonar? LOL

I am definitely not interested in hearing from ANY SELF-PROFESSED SONAR FANBOY - EVER. I'm looking for people who are truly unbiased.

Actually I was never angry or upset at all. I was having fun, but finding out what kind of slimy creature you are does make me angry for a moment, but I am comforted by how you got so cocky you actually admitted it

I've dealt with shills before. I'm very adept at shredding them. Unfortunately for you. I have a very compelling writing style. I'v done this many times before. People are drawn to the perceived intensity of my posts. Think their is a fight going on, and read to the end. People LOVE a good fight. And from my exchanges with you and whitebunny. You are inept at making your cases. You quickly go to insults. When what little logic you have fails you.

[envoy]

Unfortunately for you. I have a very compelling writing style. I'v done this many times before. People are drawn to the perceived intensity of my posts. Think their is a fight going on, and read to the end.

You have spelling errors, you use wrong words ("their" instead of "there"), and you must have completely skipped grammar class. Is this what you call "compelling"?

envoy

[johnmorales]

Unfortunately for you. I have a very compelling writing style. I'v done this many times before. People are drawn to the perceived intensity of my posts. Think their is a fight going on, and read to the end.

You have spelling errors, you use wrong words ("their" instead of "there"), and you must have completely skipped grammar class. Is this what you call "compelling"?

envoy

So when did posting forums like this begin requiring the use of proper English? When did you appoint yourself the English professor. Since you have apparently assumed this post. I can feel sure you will now pointlessly respond to every poster. Who makes these mistakes? This should keep you busy. Since about 90% of the posts here suffer from spelling and grammer errors,

Your pretention is far more offensive than any grammatical error or spelling error I make. Are you a Sonar Boy too?

Compelling means driving forceful. [i]

It doesn't mean grammatical correctness. It doesn't mean spelling correctly. [/i]They do not equate.

The fact that I am have a compelling writing style is supported by the fact you responded.

You could not resist the need to read what I wrote. You were so charged up by what I wrote, you HAD to respond.

So yes I am a compelling writer.

Finally, if we are talking "who failed what."

It's apparent you definitely failed word comprehension, and from that your understanding and ability to properly infer the meaning of the written word is limited as well.

Since you go for the meanings outside the context.

Context is a better indicator of what a writer meant than is spelling. No one who has decent comprehension of written English should be confused by the mistaken use of there for their and vise versa. If the reader takes context into account.

You know that, however. Your sole goal was to discredit and belittle. I just thought I'd return the favor

[envoy]

The fact that I am have a compelling writing style is supported by the fact you responded.

No, I just happened to be bored; I usually don't respond to trolls. That you think people would take your semi-illitrate rants seriously was humorous for a moment, but the moment has passed...

[WillieJenkins]

to make this all the more funny, don't forget to read his posts using his Texan drawl.

"mi writting stile is made to get y'all rusttledd up an' sorts!"

[LoRez]

I've dealt with shills before. I'm very adept at shredding them. Unfortunately for you. I have a very compelling writing style. I'v done this many times before. People are drawn to the perceived intensity of my posts. Think their is a fight going on, and read to the end. People LOVE a good fight. And from my exchanges with you and whitebunny. You are inept at making your cases. You quickly go to insults. When what little logic you have fails you.

Your writing style is compelling? Glad you think so. Gold star for you

[wrench45us]

one can post such problems directly to Cakewalk technical support as well

one isn't dependent on a Sonar forum that is a bit overwhelmed by the numbers of its own success

but there are some very knowledgeable and helpful people on that board and your issue is slightly less likely to get sidetracked into issues of grammar and spelling