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Sascha Franck · Post by **Sascha Franck** » Thu Jan 15, 2026 7:03 pm

So, which longtime Logic user has been asking for these:

- More AI-ish (don't think they're really AI...) session players.
- More content.
- Chord analysis for the deaf.
- Subscription options.

?

Answer: Likely not one single user. But these are the only things that were leaked so far. And I'm sure if there was something big in addition, it'd be at least kinda leaked, too.

nightjar · Post by **nightjar** » Thu Jan 15, 2026 9:47 pm

Sascha Franck wrote: Thu Jan 15, 2026 7:03 pm So, which longtime Logic user has been asking for these:

- More AI-ish (don't think they're really AI...) session players.
- More content.
- Chord analysis for the deaf.
- Subscription options.

?

Answer: Likely not one single user. But these are the only things that were leaked so far. And I'm sure if there was something big in addition, it'd be at least kinda leaked, too.

I like all these things

ksandvik · Post by **ksandvik** » Thu Jan 15, 2026 10:39 pm

I don't use session players, I think we musicians should make music. Same with learning chords, it's not so hard.

machinesworking · Post by **machinesworking** » Thu Jan 15, 2026 10:50 pm

It's not so hard to come up with some decent reasons for these things. Severely disabled people can hum a melody into a mic and use the accompaniment software to help them write a song. I know a one armed man for instance, a chord designer would help him out a lot.

ksandvik · Post by **ksandvik** » Thu Jan 15, 2026 11:09 pm

I agree it's nice for people with disabilities and they want to make music. But for normal musicians too lazy to learn chords, oh well...

Sascha Franck · Post by **Sascha Franck** » Fri Jan 16, 2026 1:48 am

machinesworking wrote: Thu Jan 15, 2026 10:50 pm It's not so hard to come up with some decent reasons for these things. Severely disabled people can hum a melody into a mic and use the accompaniment software to help them write a song. I know a one armed man for instance, a chord designer would help him out a lot.

I don't even disagree. But then just get a Suno Pro account and be done. Severely disabled people likely won't be able to properly operate a fullblown DAW in the first place.

Sascha Franck · Post by **Sascha Franck** » Fri Jan 16, 2026 1:50 am

nightjar wrote: Thu Jan 15, 2026 9:47 pm I like all these things

Like them all you want, fine. But it's still not something the vast majority of Logic were asking for during the last 13 years.

machinesworking · Post by **machinesworking** » Fri Jan 16, 2026 7:07 am

Sascha Franck wrote: Fri Jan 16, 2026 1:48 am
machinesworking wrote: Thu Jan 15, 2026 10:50 pm It's not so hard to come up with some decent reasons for these things. Severely disabled people can hum a melody into a mic and use the accompaniment software to help them write a song. I know a one armed man for instance, a chord designer would help him out a lot.
I don't even disagree. But then just get a Suno Pro account and be done. Severely disabled people likely won't be able to properly operate a fullblown DAW in the first place.

Are we now determining how disabled our disabled person is? Are you forgetting the one armed man I mentioned?

I totally get being upset at the DAW that you love is getting silly features, but flatly of the DAWs on the computer here this isn't the first one, it's not even the second pro level DAW to announce or get these types of features. I get that a lot of features I don't care about will be installed. I don't care about Atmos, ARA, Loop libraries, score sheets, the AI players, built in instruments and FX for the most part (barring Logics built in samplers though, and Alchemy those are great) We are entering the world of AI assisted music, and you can ignore it, that's what I'm going to do. Otherwise there's always other DAWs. Just don't jump to Fender Studio Pro, looks like it's headed down the same path.

soulata · Post by **soulata** » Fri Jan 16, 2026 8:35 am

The're all headed down the same path.

I hope ARA fix is in. I'd like that over whatever was mentioned so far.

cryophonik · Post by **cryophonik** » Fri Jan 16, 2026 7:54 pm

soulata wrote: Fri Jan 16, 2026 8:35 am I hope ARA fix is in. I'd like that over whatever was mentioned so far.

Same. Honestly, anything else is just gravy AFAIC.

Sascha Franck · Post by **Sascha Franck** » Sat Jan 17, 2026 1:20 am

machinesworking wrote: Fri Jan 16, 2026 7:07 am Are we now determining how disabled our disabled person is? Are you forgetting the one armed man I mentioned?

No. And while I absolutely applaud disabled persons being able to be able to take part in whatever processes, it's absurd to even consider this as one of the reasonings for Logic to be yet another victim of the AI madness - especially in case they simply don't give a flying f**k about keeping it an up to date modern DAW anymore otherwies.

machinesworking · Post by **machinesworking** » Sat Jan 17, 2026 5:14 am

Sascha Franck wrote: Sat Jan 17, 2026 1:20 am
machinesworking wrote: Fri Jan 16, 2026 7:07 am Are we now determining how disabled our disabled person is? Are you forgetting the one armed man I mentioned?
No. And while I absolutely applaud disabled persons being able to be able to take part in whatever processes, it's absurd to even consider this as one of the reasonings for Logic to be yet another victim of the AI madness - especially in case they simply don't give a flying f**k about keeping it an up to date modern DAW anymore otherwies.

??? it is though, what could you possibly be comparing it to? I use Digital Performer, had an 8 year stint with Logic, and a couple years with Reaper. I never thought Studio One would work for me, and had bought Logic instead of Cubase. Those are all the DAWs I know of that are kitchen sink, does everything, DAWs. I don't think any of them are better than Logic. Bugs wise, that's another story, the fact that ARA is still broken and for some reason Apple turns off Efficiency cores in Logic when they work fine in DP and Cubase is one of the reasons I put up with the 4 1/2 years of DP11, second longest time between upgrades etc. Logic seems to get new stuff every year.

I get being upset, but I'm not sure it helps anything, amateurs keep the lights on. One of the reasons IMO DP suffers is because it's obtuse about being a "pro" DAW, nothing about it has been made easier over the years and it's still expensive. It went from top five to bottom 20 in sales. Obviously they also dealt with Apple buying Logic being the kind of branding that nothing can top, but I do think a portion of the regulation to specialty DAW is due to MOTU's own pig headed-ness.

I guess in the end it might work out to my favor though, I'm pretty certain there will not be any AI stuff in DP12 when it comes out. MOTU are proud dinosaurs.

andypryce · Post by **andypryce** » Sat Jan 17, 2026 7:31 am

machinesworking wrote: Sat Jan 17, 2026 5:14 am

I'm pretty certain there will not be any AI stuff in DP12 when it comes out. MOTU are proud dinosaurs.

Wonder what is going on with that. They could have developed a brand new DAW in 5 years.

syntonica · Post by **syntonica** » Sat Jan 17, 2026 8:26 am

Busy fixing Windows bugs? Hanging on to the recording studio paradigm with their cold, dead hands?

I'm not sure what more DP needs. Newer VIs? A better routing system? Certainly not AI to do the creative parts for you.

Ploki · Post by **Ploki** » Sat Jan 17, 2026 9:12 am

machinesworking wrote: Thu Jan 15, 2026 10:50 pm It's not so hard to come up with some decent reasons for these things. Severely disabled people can hum a melody into a mic and use the accompaniment software to help them write a song. I know a one armed man for instance, a chord designer would help him out a lot.

all well and good, but professionals should also be able to import AAF - something broken since 10.7.9. Else they should simply tell us to go f**k ourselves and find another DAW and drop the pretense

Logic Pro 11.2(.2)