Plugin idea

[camsr]

If your idea requires much action on the user's part inside a GUI, you can expect to pay more for the coding/programming. An idea can be realized without an advanced GUI, but controlling the algorithm(s) may be more difficult then. GUI programming statistically takes more time and testing than an algorithm. If you already know what your idea should sound like (have you heard it before? was it a pleasant mistake that you want to recreate on demand?) you really should try to prototype it yourself with whatever code you can manage.

When you come to the DSP and Plugin Development Forum, ask for a coder, but provide no details, you are on your own unfortunately. I could see costs being as little as 100$ depending on the details of the idea. If you want to represent your potential idea better, you may say something like, (it only uses MIDI to do it), or (when the MIDI signal is on this channel, it makes this sound, when these notes are played), or even, (I have no idea how this sound was made, but I know what is sounds like, and I will tell you when your coding efforts achieve that sound). You will identify subsystems required (no coding required to do that) to produce your product and that will determine the scope of coding effort required. All that can be done without exposing your idea.

Yes completely fair. i provided some important details though. first implementation would be midi only, it receives midi information from the playing instrument , processes it and sends it to a virtual instrument , DAW or whatnot. the GUI could be just one algorithm selector in the most basic form , but there is options that can be added for a more refined user experience and aesthetics ones , like a keyboard.

There is probably already a variety/collection of plugins that can do what you want, and probably all freeware also. Learn how to use them and you can realize and refine your idea. If you really think you cannot do what you want with plugins (or hosts) already available, I advise you to share your idea. You will not be able to protect it once it's out in the wild. Why I say to share, is that some altruistic programmer may make it for YOU (and everyone else) for free.

[ShredofLight]

If your idea requires much action on the user's part inside a GUI, you can expect to pay more for the coding/programming. An idea can be realized without an advanced GUI, but controlling the algorithm(s) may be more difficult then. GUI programming statistically takes more time and testing than an algorithm. If you already know what your idea should sound like (have you heard it before? was it a pleasant mistake that you want to recreate on demand?) you really should try to prototype it yourself with whatever code you can manage.

When you come to the DSP and Plugin Development Forum, ask for a coder, but provide no details, you are on your own unfortunately. I could see costs being as little as 100$ depending on the details of the idea. If you want to represent your potential idea better, you may say something like, (it only uses MIDI to do it), or (when the MIDI signal is on this channel, it makes this sound, when these notes are played), or even, (I have no idea how this sound was made, but I know what is sounds like, and I will tell you when your coding efforts achieve that sound). You will identify subsystems required (no coding required to do that) to produce your product and that will determine the scope of coding effort required. All that can be done without exposing your idea.

Yes completely fair. i provided some important details though. first implementation would be midi only, it receives midi information from the playing instrument , processes it and sends it to a virtual instrument , DAW or whatnot. the GUI could be just one algorithm selector in the most basic form , but there is options that can be added for a more refined user experience and aesthetics ones , like a keyboard.

There is probably already a variety/collection of plugins that can do what you want, and probably all freeware also. Learn how to use them and you can realize and refine your idea. If you really think you cannot do what you want with plugins (or hosts) already available, I advise you to share your idea. You will not be able to protect it once it's out in the wild. Why I say to share, is that some altruistic programmer may make it for YOU (and everyone else) for free.

For this rough sketch, what program you guys recommend me to try out to see if i can make anything happen?

[ShredofLight]

I will try to use one of those graphic coders, which one do you recommend for a midi only plugin?

[ShredofLight]

I will try to use one of those graphic coders, which one do you recommend for a midi only plugin?

wouldn't i be better with something like claude sonnet?

[gambero]

I will try to use one of those graphic coders, which one do you recommend for a midi only plugin?

All major visual environments are pretty competent when it comes to midi, so it's pretty much up to what you prefer working with. I suggest looking into Max, or PureData if you want something free to get started with.

[CinningBao]

I will try to use one of those graphic coders, which one do you recommend for a midi only plugin?

wouldn't i be better with something like claude sonnet?

This entirely depends on where you're comfortable. If you're used to lines of text, sure, use Claude with maybe Juce? If you're on mac, would it run in a Logic Scripter instance? Does Reaper's JS plugin system have MIDIin & MIDIout? That could be an option.

For GUI-coding, maybe don't bother with Reaktor any more (since nobody knows what will happen to it) but you could prototype it in Pure data or Bidule, free and free-long-trial respectively.

[Music Engineer]

For GUI-coding, maybe don't bother with Reaktor any more (since nobody knows what will happen to it) but you could prototype it in Pure data or Bidule, free and free-long-trial respectively.

What do you mean by that? Are there rumors that Reaktor is going to be discontinued or something like that? That would be very sad. I consider Reaktor as NI's flagship product - and it's a great product indeed! I can still vaguely remember having it used under the name "Generator" which has blown me away in the late 90s - when my dream was to own a Nord Modular or Creamware Scope which I couldn't afford. I just updated my Komplete license (which includes Reaktor 6) in the winter sale (or whatever it was called) even though I'm not actually using it much (or at all) these days anymore....but it's great anyway. I think, it would be a great loss for the music software community.

I personally would have suggested Pure Data as well because it is free and open source and has been around for decades and seems to have some community and ecosystem around it, so it should be pretty future proof.

[whyterabbyt]

the thing i keep repeating, find a trusted by all master coder willing to be a 50/50 partner. .
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; I have not sufficient wealth to pay for the plugin upfront but if we succeed he earns half.

Just to remind you, this is the exact scenario that the README thread explains is not actually a reasonable option.

[whyterabbyt]

What do you mean by that? Are there rumors that Reaktor is going to be discontinued or something like that?

Probably a reference to NI having just filed for insolvency.

[Music Engineer]

Probably a reference to NI having just filed for insolvency.

Oh my god! These are very bad and very sad news!

[whyterabbyt]

Probably a reference to NI having just filed for insolvency.

Oh my god! These are very bad and very sad news!

Yup. There's a couple of threads about it, this is the main one...

viewtopic.php?p=9192395

[kerfuffle]

It sounds like you think you have a great idea and you want to commercialize it. That means you're starting a business. You don't have the skills to actually build the product, so your business needs to hire people.

The coder will need to invest X months of their life into building this thing, which corresponds to Y amount of money. If you pay them for their hours, it will cost you Y money.

However, if you work from the 50/50 promise, the coder you end up working with is now going to be your business partner and they will own part of the business.

This may seem like a great deal to you: You run no up-front risk and when it works out you get rich. It's not a great deal for the developer: they're investing Y amount of money into this, and so they are initially taking all the risk. More risk usually means more compensation.

Plus, it takes more than an idea guy + a coder to have a successful business. How are you going to be marketing and selling this stuff? Or are you going to hire more people for that — and are you paying them out of your cut or does the split suddenly become 1/3rd?

Starting a business with no money and no skills is almost impossible. You're going to need a hell of a sales pitch to convince anyone to work with you, especially if you have no track record of running businesses or doing anything relevant in this area. Good luck!

[Music Engineer]

Yup. There's a couple of threads about it, this is the main one...

viewtopic.php?p=9192395

Ah! OK. Thanks! VERY sad news indeed! I really hope they find a solution that doesn't involve the dissolution of the whole company!

[MrJubbly]

Dragon's Den / Shark Tank investors:

"...I'm out!"

[ShredofLight]

It sounds like you think you have a great idea and you want to commercialize it. That means you're starting a business. You don't have the skills to actually build the product, so your business needs to hire people.

The coder will need to invest X months of their life into building this thing, which corresponds to Y amount of money. If you pay them for their hours, it will cost you Y money.

However, if you work from the 50/50 promise, the coder you end up working with is now going to be your business partner and they will own part of the business.

This may seem like a great deal to you: You run no up-front risk and when it works out you get rich. It's not a great deal for the developer: they're investing Y amount of money into this, and so they are initially taking all the risk. More risk usually means more compensation.

Plus, it takes more than an idea guy + a coder to have a successful business. How are you going to be marketing and selling this stuff? Or are you going to hire more people for that — and are you paying them out of your cut or does the split suddenly become 1/3rd?

Starting a business with no money and no skills is almost impossible. You're going to need a hell of a sales pitch to convince anyone to work with you, especially if you have no track record of running businesses or doing anything relevant in this area. Good luck!

Thank you for your honest response . Just a few things, if i would to became rich he would also, but that is not the goal. You are assuming the coder would be working on a bad idea from the start and would be " wasting hours" with no passion involved. The plugin itself it's easy to make for an experient coder. Like i said before we would be writing history since is a new system, an evolution of what we have right now and you bet i have a good sales pitch. That's why i was clear i just need to find the right person. All things related to business models are to be decided by both of us as the 50/50 implies. The odds were never good I know but it deserves a try.