Logic Pro 11.2(.2)

[machinesworking]

I'm pretty certain there will not be any AI stuff in DP12 when it comes out. MOTU are proud dinosaurs.

Wonder what is going on with that. They could have developed a brand new DAW in 5 years.

It's 4 1/2 since Jan 6th. Because I have all the luck the only other DAW that has has as long of a time is Live 9 to 10, at 4 years 11 months; of course that's my other DAW. In Ableton's defense they had installed Max 4 Live in version 8 and it screwed stability up, I'm just guessing but between Push and fixing internal things everything took way too long.

Busy fixing Windows bugs? Hanging on to the recording studio paradigm with their cold, dead hands?

I'm not sure what more DP needs. Newer VIs? A better routing system? Certainly not AI to do the creative parts for you.

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I don't know what's taking MOTU so long? but Windows bugs could be a big one, their reps say the Windows adoption is is growing despite a rep for bug. I'm not sure what could happen to the routing system to make it better? AU as a MIDI FX slot had some serious limitations when it came to drum machines and instruments with sequencers previous to Logics update that allows MIDI routing between plugins. You couldn't send MIDI from Maschine, MPC, Reaktor plugins etc. without losing the ability for the instrument to actually play sounds internally without using AIC etc. I like the way Logic deals with multi instruments though, after initially wondering WTF is going on? why are there now 8 versions of Kontakt??
I think like most people who are familiar with a DAW I could give you a list. Clips still don't show up in the Drum Editor, there is no external instrument plugin, the FX are good but the instrument plugins are simple and cheesy, the Content Browser seems partially done especially compared to other DAWs, VST3 implementation really only seems to work in the cases where it's absolutely needed like ARA on Apple Silicon etc.

Personally what would save this upgrade to me is if Apple somehow decided to allow Logic to use Efficiency cores, I have an M2 Studio Ultra, and the 8 efficiency cores means that Reaper and DP11 beat the snot out of Logic in track count, it's a solid jump. Definitely something they would do without announcing it, and unfortunately highly unlikely since it hasn't caused a ruckus. I'm also curious as to whether 12 will be a paid upgrade for owners of 11? that's the big elephant in the room, especially for those of us that use Logic as a back up DAW.

[Sascha Franck]

I don't think any of them are better than Logic.

At least they have vastly more "up to date" features. Whether that makes them "better" is in the eye of the beholder.
And they're actually fixing bugs actively.

and for some reason Apple turns off Efficiency cores in Logic

You can easily turn them on.

I get being upset, but I'm not sure it helps anything, amateurs keep the lights on.

And professionaly keep them moving forward.

[machinesworking]

I don't think any of them are better than Logic.

At least they have vastly more "up to date" features. Whether that makes them "better" is in the eye of the beholder.
And they're actually fixing bugs actively.

Which features? I don't know of any modern features that Reaper, DP, Cubase or Studio One have that's mind blowingly better than Logic? I'm saying this as a DP user, whose familiar with Logic and Reaper. I think at this point it's all refinements to existing features, like Logic getting a sort of look ahead feature recently for articulations preventing it from missing changes etc.

and for some reason Apple turns off Efficiency cores in Logic

You can easily turn them on.

It does nothing, run the Logic test online, there's one with DIva. On my system here Logic gets 106 instances of Diva; DP and Reaper get 140. This is with all cores turned on in Logics settings, and you can clearly see in Activity Monitor that if anything Logic is using less than 10% of the 8 Efficiency cores on the M2 Studio Ultra here.

[syntonica]

I can see leaving one efficiency core for handling the UI, but I see no reason to exclude all of them from audio processing. Makes me wonder if Apple know something we don't know.

[Sascha Franck]

Which features? I don't know of any modern features that Reaper, DP, Cubase or Studio One have that's mind blowingly better than Logic?

Reaper allows you to work with multiple video files. Cubase has incredibly better audio editing features. Just to name these. And oh: ARA support anyone?
A complete list would possibly take ages to write. It's also not as if that was news or anything.

It does nothing, run the Logic test online, there's one with DIva. On my system here Logic gets 106 instances of Diva; DP and Reaper get 140. This is with all cores turned on in Logics settings, and you can clearly see in Activity Monitor that if anything Logic is using less than 10% of the 8 Efficiency cores on the M2 Studio Ultra here.

This is a screenshot I've just taken (Macbook Air M3):

When I deactivate the efficiency cores, the test project can't be played back.

I do however agree that it's a shame that others are now more efficient (Cubase as well, fwiw), as in making full use of the efficiency core whereas Logic always only seems to use a certain percentage. They're not unused, though (and their usage is vastly above 10%, too - and yes, I also checked via activity monitor).

[jules99]

Logic Pro 12.0 will be out some time today.

https://support.apple.com/en-us/125029

[qtheerearranger]

its out and lol

ps release notes are on logic pro 11 app store if you click version history

edit 3: how does anybody have faith in apple when so much better stuff is out fr?

[Bombadil]

Not out here, yet. From what I've seen, I get a great big 'MEH!'

[audio/fault]

release notes: https://support.apple.com/en-us/109503

[Serhii Kot]

Not out here, yet. From what I've seen, I get a great big 'MEH!'

Yes, nothing spectacular, more like 0.1 update. Can not find full change log, maybe something interesting there.

PS Now you can drag audio to a chord track, nice.

EDIT:
Newly created chords are now 1 bar long by default. - Nice
Low Latency mode now accounts for latency introduced by Mastering Assistant. - Nice

That is all for me. But hey, it is still free.

[jules99]

"Snap Regions to Absolute Value is now the default Snap setting."

Halleluja!

[bundoo]

dont think the snap to scale tick box actually does anything in the midi editor

edit 1 (actually it does) - but not when using second tool with cmd to draw notes - only with pen or brush as primary tool

edit 2 - sometimes works, sometimes doesn't - nice

edit 3 - does work but you have to quantise to scale first and then all notes entered after will snap - again shit

[Bombadil]

Full release notes:

https://support.apple.com/en-vn/109503

[LoveEnigma18]

Came to post the same, thanks!

Doesn't look very appealing at first glance. Hope there will be a couple small but useful enhancements.

Away from studio - It would be good to know if the upgrade to Logic Pro 12.0 is free (for perpetual license owners of previous version).

[cryophonik]

Overall, nothing groundbreaking here, but I think the jump to v12 is just laying the groundwork for bigger improvements to come. Session Player and Chord ID are the biggest features and don’t interest me, but I’m sure other people will find them useful. Looking down the list of “other” enhancements and fixes, I see a few QOL improvements. Can’t complain about a free update.