Native Instruments file for insolvency...

[sjm]

On the one hand, that is the case, and on the other hand, §95a of the German Copyright Act (https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/urhg/__95a.html) also restricts all corresponding measures. Therefore, I would prefer it if someone with legal knowledge could write something here. What I am writing here is only half-knowledge (Google knowledge).

IIRC - and it's been a while - that refers to technical measures intended to stop you duplicating a protected work (i.e performing the act of copying, which is what copyright is fundamentally about). Think watermarks or secuROM. There is however nothing stopping you from copying and creating backups of the NI installers. There's an article here that talks about that in more detail (in German):
https://www.urheberrecht.de/kopierschutz/

I'd love to look into it in more detail, but using a computer is very difficult for me right now for health reasons

[billinder33]

Step 1: Have PE firm
Step 2: Buy business with debt, assign that debt to the acquired business, not your PE firm
Step 3: Charge the acquired business massive 'Management Fees'
Step 4: Fire people, slash costs, innovation, and R&D to the bone, ride this as long as you can
Step 5: When business starts going under, part out all the assets, look for another buyer, or file for bankruptcy
Step 6: Move on to your next victim

Shocking not shocking that this is all totally legal in the failing USA empire.


EDIT: As some condescending jerk will point out downthread, NI is a German company, and apparently this scheme is legal there as well.

[Funky40]

But if Native Access stops working, then it’s over.

ok, same question again, just worded differently:

1. do we need the native access *only* for the installation process ?

2. or is Native Access also *required* to be active to keep the already installed plugins running ?

[Fette Töle]

1. yes
2. no

[Vocalpoint Studios]

ok, same question again, just worded differently:
1. do we need the native access *only* for the installation process ?
2. or is Native Access also *required* to be active to keep the already installed plugins running ?

Actually...

1. No
2. Kinda sorta (installed - but not necessarily "running") when using said plugins).

NA has several key components - some of them services - which DO need to be running (and ARE running). So you cannot install Kontakt and then completely uninstall NA and expect to use Kontakt again.

VP

[EvilDragon]

You can uninstall NA after it creates authorization tokens for the products, products will continue to work on that machine until machine ID is changed.

[Vocalpoint Studios]

You can uninstall NA after it creates authorization tokens for the products, products will continue to work on that machine until machine ID is changed.

Hmm. Fair enough.

I know I have tested this several times in the past and got immediate errors on services not responding etc.

Clearly time for new testing...

VP

[EvilDragon]

This is my vague recollection, I haven't tried doing that recently, too. But IIRC that's the implementation.

[IvyBirds]

Step 1: Have PE firm
Step 2: Buy business with debt, assign that debt to the acquired business, not your PE firm
Step 3: Charge the acquired business massive 'Management Fees'
Step 4: Fire people, slash costs, innovation, and R&D to the bone, ride this as long as you can
Step 5: When business starts going under, part out all the assets, look for another buyer, or file for bankruptcy
Step 6: Move on to your next victim

Shocking not shocking that this is all totally legal in the failing USA empire.

Only problem with your hypothesis is that it's happening in Germany not America

Shocking not Shocking you are using the situation with Native Instruments that is happening in the GERMAN Legal system, under GERMAN law to blame America

The number of insolvent companies in Germany reached its highest level in more than ten years in 2025. During the year, 23,900 companies filed for insolvency – an increase of 8.3 percent compared to the previous year

The German economy is in shambles. Gross domestic product in Germany (GDP), which is the sum of all economic output, grew by a measly 0.2% in 2025, after being negative in 2023 and 2024. That is significantly behind the average for countries in the EU

This is a German problem not an American one, and being handled by the German Legal System. So the legality of the situation can't be blamed on the American system

Plugin Alliance which is an American company, established as Plugin Alliance LLC, with it's headquarters in Jupiter, Florida. Isn't part of the insolvency, according to the reports. Just the German company, which is subject to German Law

[VladK]

The number of insolvent companies in Germany reached its highest level in more than ten years in 2025. During the year, 23,900 companies filed for insolvency – an increase of 8.3 percent compared to the previous year

BTW the number of corporate bankruptcies in the US in 2025 was biggest since 2009 as well.

[DCrown]

Why am I not surprised?
Last time I bought NI product was about 7 years ago and also never liked 99% of PA products
I mean one could see they made a bad job and wouldn't exist forever.
I am glad I could sell NI Komplete and most PA plugins 6 yeaes ago
If you offer less than mediocre products for many years with too many employees (about 400!!!) well,...just like PA, Izotope and Arturia.
And I am pretty sure AI will make more devs say goodbye, you won't need plugins any more, AI will produce music.

[ere2learn]

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[Scoops]

You can uninstall NA after it creates authorization tokens for the products, products will continue to work on that machine until machine ID is changed.

Hmm. Fair enough.

I know I have tested this several times in the past and got immediate errors on services not responding etc.

Clearly time for new testing...

VP

I killed the NTKDaemon service which I believe disables NA if I understand this correctly. Haven't had a problem since. I just don't update anything ever from NI, and it will continue to run

[Vocalpoint Studios]

I killed the NTKDaemon service which I believe disables NA if I understand this correctly. Haven't had a problem since. I just don't update anything ever from NI, and it will continue to run

Thanks for the info!

VP

[Funky40]

Thanks for feedback !

More precisely:
i do not see the problem by having NA installed
- this point is about to freeze an existing machine.

The query would hover solely about the question: if NI got something deactivated on their end => would it affect us ?

So, seems not.


I would guess, once installed, NA and the plugins, NI has no leverage to change something there vs. the behaving on our end, aslong we don´t update anything, and ideally do NOT connect to the iNet.