Native Instruments file for insolvency...

[Vocalpoint Studios]

Incorrect. I know because I just tried and Kontakt works just fine offline.

Did you completely uninstall NA (and NTKDaemon) as well - or just not open NA (but left it installed)?

VP

[VitaminD]

https://www.gorilla-engine.com/

Oh I see. Thank you for the link.

These two products don't seem to directly compete with each other, even though there is significant overlap on the development side. Koda seems to have a far more user-friendly GUI in the plugin, which could make musician use a lot more plausible.

I doubt non-geeks are going to want to take up something like gorilla just to load some samples and record.

Kontakt is nice this way. It has a front end that can be easily accessed by developer and musician alike. Koda seems to share in this.

Gorilla looks solely as a development platform for creating new instruments.

don't you see the "gorilla editor" on the splash page?...it's no less approachable than the edit page of Kontakt or any other classic sampler or IDE based tool

No, I don't. At least from the website linked. They even state, "Gorilla Engine is a full audio plugin development SDK for professional sound designers and software developers."

That doesn't read to me that it is a VSTi sampler instrument that can load samples.

Maybe I don't understand what KODA is though, as it could be just the same as Gorilla, and not what I'm expecting from the NAMM footage? I was under the impression it could work both as Gorilla (development platform) and as a sampler instrument outright (without building a VSTi or interface).

[bermudagold]

https://www.gorilla-engine.com/

These two products don't seem to directly compete with each other, even though there is significant overlap on the development side. Koda seems to have a far more user-friendly GUI in the plugin, which could make musician use a lot more plausible.

I doubt non-geeks are going to want to take up something like gorilla just to load some samples and record.

Kontakt is nice this way. It has a front end that can be easily accessed by developer and musician alike. Koda seems to share in this.

Gorilla looks solely as a development platform for creating new instruments.

don't you see the "gorilla editor" on the splash page?...it's no less approachable than the edit page of Kontakt or any other classic sampler or IDE based tool

No, I don't.

[limitlesssss]

I just hope that the following products survive by any means necessary (especially REAKTOR):

• REAKTOR
• MONARK
• REPLIKA XT
• RAUM

[VitaminD]

https://www.gorilla-engine.com/

These two products don't seem to directly compete with each other, even though there is significant overlap on the development side. Koda seems to have a far more user-friendly GUI in the plugin, which could make musician use a lot more plausible.

I doubt non-geeks are going to want to take up something like gorilla just to load some samples and record.

Kontakt is nice this way. It has a front end that can be easily accessed by developer and musician alike. Koda seems to share in this.

Gorilla looks solely as a development platform for creating new instruments.

don't you see the "gorilla editor" on the splash page?...it's no less approachable than the edit page of Kontakt or any other classic sampler or IDE based tool

No, I don't.

That looks like a hyper generic shell though. That's the GUI that opens up in a DAW, as a VSTi, for performance/preset loading? I was under the impression that was what a developer sees initially as they build a new product.

[Funky40]

please survive:


For me:
- Absynth
- Reaktor

- i take Massive X also

yes, i have Komplete, middle tier.

[apoclypse]

https://www.gorilla-engine.com/

These two products don't seem to directly compete with each other, even though there is significant overlap on the development side. Koda seems to have a far more user-friendly GUI in the plugin, which could make musician use a lot more plausible.

I doubt non-geeks are going to want to take up something like gorilla just to load some samples and record.

Kontakt is nice this way. It has a front end that can be easily accessed by developer and musician alike. Koda seems to share in this.

Gorilla looks solely as a development platform for creating new instruments.

don't you see the "gorilla editor" on the splash page?...it's no less approachable than the edit page of Kontakt or any other classic sampler or IDE based tool

No, I don't.

That looks like a hyper generic shell though. That's the GUI that opens up in a DAW, as a VSTi, for performance/preset loading? I was under the impression that was what a developer sees initially as they build a new product.

This one is a better picture of what it looks like



That being said it still looks like Koda may still be easier to user for people who are not interested in heavy scripting and want something more straightforward to use. Gorilla-Engine seems interesting but it still seems very developer focused. The way I think of it is that Gorilla-Engine is exactly that, an engine, its not a platform. You use Gorilla-Engine to build standalone plugin sample libraries. Koda on the other hand is similar to Kontakt where you build on top of an existing platform. Like you can't download a Gorilla Sampler for example and load you instrument, you would instead install a whole plugin built on Gorilla Engine.

[mixyguy2]

All we're seeing is a change of management

No, we really aren't. If that was all this was about, they wouldn't be declaring bankruptcy.

What bankruptcy?
Learn the difference between insolvency and bankruptcy.

Badly worded on my part...but likely no difference in the end.

[bermudagold]

These two products don't seem to directly compete with each other, even though there is significant overlap on the development side. Koda seems to have a far more user-friendly GUI in the plugin, which could make musician use a lot more plausible.

I doubt non-geeks are going to want to take up something like gorilla just to load some samples and record.

Kontakt is nice this way. It has a front end that can be easily accessed by developer and musician alike. Koda seems to share in this.

Gorilla looks solely as a development platform for creating new instruments.

don't you see the "gorilla editor" on the splash page?...it's no less approachable than the edit page of Kontakt or any other classic sampler or IDE based tool

No, I don't.

That looks like a hyper generic shell though. That's the GUI that opens up in a DAW, as a VSTi, for performance/preset loading? I was under the impression that was what a developer sees initially as they build a new product.

This one is a better picture of what it looks like



That being said it still looks like Koda may still be easier to user for people who are not interested in heavy scripting and want something more straightforward to use. Gorilla-Engine seems interesting but it still seems very developer focused. The way I think of it is that Gorilla-Engine is exactly that, an engine, its not a platform. You use Gorilla-Engine to build standalone plugin sample libraries. Koda on the other hand is similar to Kontakt where you build on top of an existing platform. Like you can't download a Gorilla Sampler for example and load you instrument, you would instead install a whole plugin built on Gorilla Engine.

you guys are drawing artificial delineations to be pedantic without practical reasons...sampling is the same everywhere as its always been...keymap, velocity map, group, layer, setup event triggers, setup voice stealing/muting...you can make an expressive instrument in any sampler without scripting...you only absolutely need scripting for hyper realism to existing real world instrument constraints...whether its a muti-timbral library loader, or exporting libraries as vsts (which Hise can do as well by the way) is irrelevant...people worried about esoteric boundaries and workarounds aren't making instruments anyway...that's why the bashing of kontakt has always been silly...cause most users are just using any full featured sampler they own as a player...none of this has ever been an impediment or intimidating to avid samplists...tons of people still use emulator x3, structure, independence, shortcircuit, renoise/redux and tx16wx in similar fashion with similar interfaces

[mixyguy2]

Incorrect. I know because I just tried and Kontakt works just fine offline.

Did you completely uninstall NA (and NTKDaemon) as well - or just not open NA (but left it installed)?

Yep. Uninstalled both. All good.

[sellyoursoul]

Koda seems to have a far more user-friendly GUI in the plugin, which could make musician use a lot more plausible.

I doubt non-geeks are going to want to take up something like gorilla just to load some samples and record.

Kontakt is nice this way. It has a front end that can be easily accessed by developer and musician alike. Koda seems to share in this.

One major aspect of Kontakt that attracts musicians is that it has a general instruments library, although it is pretty outdated by today's standards. Most musicians aren't going to build their own instruments, even using what looks to be Koda's very accessible and excellent editor compared to Kontakt's severely lacking editor, which is a pain to use. I think to really pull in a lot of musicians the Koda team, a partner, or a third party will need to offer up a well done general library. Koda will otherwise still likely be put to good use by instrument developers, end users of those one-off instruments, and by hobbyist who want to build their own instruments. But a well done general instrument library is a bigger attraction for musicians than a well done empty sampler. Most musicians just want instruments, not a new hobby of building their own.

[mixyguy2]

I think that's partly why Komplete got so bloated over the years. It's the consumer approach to sales. More for Less is seen as better. Even if you have no interest in much of the package, you're getting a bargain because look at how many products are included at a low low price!

Except it wasn't/isn't really 'bloated" for the most part. There's a lot of good stuff in Komplete, often surprisingly good. How good and whether it's worth the money is obviously subjective, but that's a faulty assumption made by many IMO (and I admit I did it too): "'there's so much in there, it can't be any good, they're just going for quantity over quality..." Not

[mixyguy2]

Too much AI everywhere. It's also being pushed by force. People didn't even ask for it. I think people will eventually reach a saturation point and will want to return to their roots. I know I want to. Prefer human flaws anytime.

You're probably spitting into the wind, but preach it brother.

[mixyguy2]

Many corporations go through restructuring and takeovers and this is really no different....

For the majority of people reading this, yeah I think this is entirely different. Most corporations going through restructuring and takeovers impact our lives little if at all. This could be quite significant.

[mixyguy2]

OK, So ... What is the main reason for NI's cash-flow issue ?

Missmanagement ? Making wrong decisions ? lack of solid products/development ? Piracy ? Competition , etc ... ?

Just curious what is the main cause/s of their financial problems.

Do you seriously think anyone here knows? Trust me, they don't. And frankly, who cares? All I (and I suspect many) care about is the long-term future of Kontakt.