Native Instruments file for insolvency...

[IvyBirds]

I work for a music retailer, and the majority of people buying gear, are not on KVR. Most folks are new to music production, and those that are professional, could care less about this and that. What is the majority of customers? KVR? or everyone else?

Reality is online forums are for old people these days. I would doubt if there's anything like 20% of KVR that's under 30, 45 even? These types of things and this type of drama isn't that important to younger musicians.

They watch influencer "musicians" basically a guy that can edit a video better than writing a track, and almost all have covered the "news".

People don't really buy downloadable software from brick and mortar retailers, does NI software even come on a boxed version?

[machinesworking]

I work for a music retailer, and the majority of people buying gear, are not on KVR. Most folks are new to music production, and those that are professional, could care less about this and that. What is the majority of customers? KVR? or everyone else?

Reality is online forums are for old people these days. I would doubt if there's anything like 20% of KVR that's under 30, 45 even? These types of things and this type of drama isn't that important to younger musicians.

They watch influencer "musicians" basically a guy that can edit a video better than writing a track, and almost all have covered the "news".

My point is/was that most people are not going over this with a fine toothed comb, that's what us old folk are for. It looks like we'll know in about 1-3 months how this plays out, wonder how long this thread will be by then?

[parma]

I work for a music retailer, and the majority of people buying gear, are not on KVR. Most folks are new to music production, and those that are professional, could care less about this and that. What is the majority of customers? KVR? or everyone else?

Reality is online forums are for old people these days. I would doubt if there's anything like 20% of KVR that's under 30, 45 even? These types of things and this type of drama isn't that important to younger musicians.

They watch influencer "musicians" basically a guy that can edit a video better than writing a track, and almost all have covered the "news".

My point is/was that most people are not going over this with a fine toothed comb, that's what us old folk are for. It looks like we'll know in about 1-3 months how this plays out, wonder how long this thread will be by then?

What makes you think 1-3 months? Just a hunch? That's awfully soon.

[machinesworking]

What makes you think 1-3 months? Just a hunch? That's awfully soon.

The lawyer taking care of the insolvency will be done evaluation by then, he's also known for restructuring over just shitcanning companies, so that's all good news.

[parma]

What makes you think 1-3 months? Just a hunch? That's awfully soon.

The lawyer taking care of the insolvency will be done evaluation by then, he's also known for restructuring over just shitcanning companies, so that's all good news.

I see. Good to know.

[Grizzellda]

It looks like we'll know in about 1-3 months how this plays out, wonder how long this thread will be by then?

Extremely long, prolly rilly, rilly long...

I actually wonder if anyone from NI is monitoring these online discussions, folks must be talking about this on GearSlutz too. I have not been there recently. They probably do care what people are feeling, well like their customers, like me!

[machinesworking]

It looks like we'll know in about 1-3 months how this plays out, wonder how long this thread will be by then?

Extremely long, prolly rilly, rilly long...

I actually wonder if anyone from NI is monitoring these online discussions, folks must be talking about this on GearSlutz too. I have not been there recently. They probably do care what people are feeling, well like their customers, like me!

Guess it really depends, personally if I worked for NI and liked working there, I probably wouldn't want the extra stress of reading a shit ton of online posts from people who are not in the know, who are worried, and thinking it's all over for NI.

[dune_rave]

When Camel Audio stopped, they released offline installers.
I think, if it turns out that way, NI will do the same

[Sindikhate]

When Camel Audio stopped, they released offline installers.
I think, if it turns out that way, NI will do the same

We are talking about way over 1 TB for Komplete CE.

[dune_rave]

When Camel Audio stopped, they released offline installers.
I think, if it turns out that way, NI will do the same

We are talking about way over 1 TB for Komplete CE.

Then they will do the spectrasonics way :
You can download it once , then pay for additional downloads.

[Grizzellda]

It looks like we'll know in about 1-3 months how this plays out, wonder how long this thread will be by then?

Extremely long, prolly rilly, rilly long...

I actually wonder if anyone from NI is monitoring these online discussions, folks must be talking about this on GearSlutz too. I have not been there recently. They probably do care what people are feeling, well like their customers, like me!

Guess it really depends, personally if I worked for NI and liked working there, I probably wouldn't want the extra stress of reading a shit ton of online posts from people who are not in the know, who are worried, and thinking it's all over for NI.

Agree, good point there.

[dune_rave]

Just tried to login into my NI account:
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[glokraw]

I have been using only serial number / keyfile software for years.

There are a bunch of high-end devs in Germany, and I think the new U-he licensing method would be great for an NI comeback. If they added that, and left Native Access as an option for those who want it, I'd upgrade Komplete at the next holiday sale.

I have no idea how NI sales effect U-he sales, but if the two are not tightly linked, making U-he an offer to license their reg tools, and big enough for Urs to buy a beachfront mansion in Australia, might be a serious no-brainer for the lawyers to consider.
Cheers

[Sindikhate]

When Camel Audio stopped, they released offline installers.
I think, if it turns out that way, NI will do the same

We are talking about way over 1 TB for Komplete CE.

Then they will do the spectrasonics way :
You can download it once , then pay for additional downloads.

one more reason I would never buy omni

[SLiC]

Some confusing arguments, either you want to be off/line self sufficient (in which case you download the software and keep your own back up) or you want the convenance of having every stored on the cloud for whenever you need it. Personally I have a cheap backup drive and if I download something I keep a copy. It's unlikely we will ever get away with some form of on line activation, but as other have said, even if you have 'just a serial' if the developer goes away and stops updating the software, you will eventually stop using it anyway (or be forced to with OS updates) as there are 1000s of actively developed and constantly improving software instruments out there.