Native Instruments file for insolvency...

[dionenoid]

I would wage a bet that most customers of audio/music software aren't young.

I'll take that bet.

Looking at some data from market reports :

- The biggest age group amongst music software users is the group between 13 and 25 years old.
- The biggest spenders in the music software market are between 25 and 35 years old.

Now i don't know how old you are, but to me that is young

[Caine123]

im using Alchemy with offline installers still on Win11. i know there is no support anymore so thats enough for me to know that i can use my software with specific OS where it was released.
NI should do the same as all companies, if they switch off servers and you cannot use it is robbing your ability to use your software. this is no cloud software/subscription.

again, if you wanna drive your car and the company steals your keys are you also ok with it? nonsense what i often read here.... people like getting taken away their bought licenses/software it seems. you can donate this money to me then. thx

[dionenoid]

I actually wonder if anyone from NI is monitoring these online discussions, folks must be talking about this on GearSlutz too. I have not been there recently. They probably do care what people are feeling, well like their customers, like me!

The same ppl that are creating drama here are also creating drama on GS, and on VI, and on more places.

[dionenoid]

People don't really buy downloadable software from brick and mortar retailers, does NI software even come on a boxed version?

Ppl don't really buy anything anymore. They do subscriptions. At least the younger ppl that NI caters for.

[NothanUmber]

I wonder what comes fiirst "Adobe: Btw, beginning of March Photoshop will be taken off market, please export your files in the next two weeks, thanks for your understanding". Or "ChatGPT, write me a Photoshop clone." "Done." "Thanks."

[IvyBirds]

I would wage a bet that most customers of audio/music software aren't young.

I'll take that bet.

Looking at some data from market reports :

- The biggest age group amongst music software users is the group between 13 and 25 years old.
- The biggest spenders in the music software market are between 25 and 35 years old.

Now i don't know how old you are, but to me that is young

That's all audio software, many of those people are guitar players buying Protools and amp sims. Not Komplete Ultimate

I would guess buyers of Komplete are majority Gen X who remember when NI had a bunch of cool plugins

[Seafire Mk2]

I would guess buyers of Komplete are majority Gen X who remember when NI had a bunch of cool plugins

I must have a terrible memory

[Lind0n]

I have no idea how easy it would be to "port" a library to some other player.

Yeah, you don't. A new standard that will support libraries built to exploit Kontakt's features is a contradiction in terms.

Even if the idea is purely to streamline it, too many things will be broken. Start pulling on threads and it unravels.

Well as it happens I *do* have an idea of how easy it is to port a library to some other player, because I've done it, a fair few times. So the answer is... complicated(you guessed it right?)

Every project is different but the bit most people (and by this I mean people who own said libraries and want to get off Kontakt) over estimate is the complexity of the straight moving of the sounds and what Kontakt calls groups into some other player configuration - this is often only a few days or weeks at most, even doing functional stuff like true legato, slides/gliss/portamento is pretty easy, as is adding in all those "physical sounds" (like the actual sound of the piano key being pressed) and the note off sounds (audio that only start when the midi note off is received). None of it is ever really "stupidly difficult".

Even the UI is often pretty straightforward...

But.... most commercially successful libraries these days lean heavily on their scripting for players, modifiers, generators etc. and this, the porting KSP code, is ugly, nasty, complicated and non intuitive - just like KSP itself actually...

Smart developers take the sounds and their layouts, port that and then look at the strengths of the platform they are going to and say "now what can we do differently/better than we could in Kontakt?"

- just in case you were wondering........

[mi-os]

The vultures are circling.

[IvyBirds]

I would guess buyers of Komplete are majority Gen X who remember when NI had a bunch of cool plugins

I must have a terrible memory

Obviously that must be the case, because many people remember the glory days of NI. When FM7/FM8, Reaktor, Absynth, Massive, Pro-53, Kontact and many more were new and exciting and you couldn't wait for the next version of Komplete to see what was new

Sorry about your cognitive decline however

[mi-os]

NI has definitely released exciting products and updates in the past. The problems started when they stopped developing/modernizing their product line. Years of saying tech debt this, tech debt that, didn't help one bit. Instead of making it possible nonetheless, they just hoped no one would notice and get away with it. It was only a matter of time before this "strategy" would fail. Now we're here.

I'd even say it is mainly the GUIs. Technically, the products are still excellent.

And take a look at the manager app. Service Center has always worked for me. Native Access, on the other hand, is prone to errors.

[Seafire Mk2]

I would guess buyers of Komplete are majority Gen X who remember when NI had a bunch of cool plugins

I must have a terrible memory

Obviously that must be the case, because many people remember the glory days of NI. When FM7/FM8, Reaktor, Absynth, Massive, Pro-53, Kontact and many more...

Remind me what the 'many more' were, I'm suffering terribly here...

[DCrown]

sorry, can't remember any more, as well

[SideChainKid]

Would you all sell your NI/PA/iZotope stuff? I’m worried about support in the long term. Take my mk2 keyboard for instance, I feel like it could become obsolete very soon. Opinions?

[IvyBirds]

I would guess buyers of Komplete are majority Gen X who remember when NI had a bunch of cool plugins

I must have a terrible memory

Obviously that must be the case, because many people remember the glory days of NI. When FM7/FM8, Reaktor, Absynth, Massive, Pro-53, Kontact and many more...

Remind me what the 'many more' were, I'm suffering terribly here...

https://letmegooglethat.com/?q=history+ ... nstruments+