Native Instruments file for insolvency...

[IvyBirds]

sorry, can't remember any more, as well

Sounds like a personal issue, perhaps since you are unaware of Mashine, Monark, Battery and others you should just sit this out and not embarrass yourself further

Because if you don't remember a time when NI had a wealth of popular products that people thought were awesome then just wow

[enCiphered]

https://letmegooglethat.com/?q=history+ ... nstruments+

[machinesworking]

Personally NI suffer from a problem that all of the industry has, capitalism at it's core has a "growth" problem, if you aren't coming up with new versions of the same thing in different packaging then the market dries up. Kontakt and Reaktor should have been updated a decade ago to modern GUI standards, it shouldn't be that they needed to graft the Komplete GUI onto Kontakt for PLAY series instruments, but the need for steady income precludes in many ways maintenance, because maintenance is not going to move units.

This isn't just an NI issue, every DAW has areas that are old, not up to modern standards etc. that are never addressed, because replacing or tidying up an existing feature doesn't attract new customers like tacking on another new feature does. Nothing about this is particularly unique to NI, Logic has still yet to fix the ARA issue, Push 3 still has missing features, Akai added in all the "new" stuff to MPC3 but haven't brought back time signatures, the VSTi3 plugin, or even the new arranger on the desktop version.

Personally I don't think larger plugin developer companies make much practical sense. I think NI would have done just fine focusing on Reaktor and Kontakt with a few synths, but they went ahead with Maschine, Traktor, a hardware linup, instituting the NKS standard, etc. etc. etc. Love Arturia but I'm not that convinced that their 35+ analog emulations aren't sharing code. At least UVI stick to sample libraries, allows them to concentrate on Falcon. I could 100% see the insolvency lawyer splitting NI into two or three companies that are partnered up.

[bermudagold]

i gave "multi-tabling" examples above...

Err - I can see no links to actual video or sound examples.

ok u lazy bugger lol

some more...since ultra started with a clarinet

check out his other "faux real" instruments for phaseplant and surge xt

another similar woodwind


as previously mentioned karplus "faux real"

[Grizzellda]

I said in another thread, if u-he and MuTools got together, perhaps they could do something cool.

Well, it is fun to imagine! And of course, in my fantasy, everything runs native on Linux...

because it just does.

[DrGonzo]

I have completely reconciled with the idea of NI going bust.
Kontakt as much standard it is, was created in the absolute stone age of music software.
I can't wait to see what other hungry & creative developers will replace the platform with.

And as much as I love my Macs, I pray to God that Apple won't swoop in and buy NI. But it would be cool if Yamaha/Steinberg snapped it up. They could probably do something with it.

[Grizzellda]

I just plain old like Native Instruments, the hardware is beautiful, looks like solid German engineering to me, and I approve of that!!! Also, Reaktor, Razor, Molekular, FM-8...

What else can I offer? Do not know what is going on here...hope it works out well!

[Sindikhate]

i gave "multi-tabling" examples above...

Err - I can see no links to actual video or sound examples.

ok u lazy bugger lol

some more...since ultra started with a clarinet

check out his other "faux real" instruments for phaseplant and surge xt

another similar woodwind


as previously mentioned karplus "faux real"

Bad.. like .. Really bad, if we compare with a good Kontakt library, or even sampling an instrument note ourselves and throwing it alongside a little talent on a sampler.

And of course nowhere near the real thing.

i agree there is still a sizeable gap to pcm sampling and even further to the real thing...but if you go follow the thread there are people saying synthesis has gotten to the point where it could be a viable alternative based on excitement around a cool new product called ultra...this part of the conversation was about how additive and PM have been creating expressive "faux real" instruments for quite some time

I agree with you that they have come a long way. And it can be impressive too. Both from a scientific and a creative/design point of view. But we are in an environment where people pay 1000s and 1000s for that extra 5%. 50 and 100 bucks for a solo instrument library or a couple hundred more for a whole package is not much compared to what people pay for other things in their studio. Not to mention all the freebie libraries etc.

[Sascha Franck]

sorry, can't remember any more, as well

B4II, Intakt, Spektral Delay, Kore (yes, it wasn't a plugin per se but an awsome concept), Battery 1-3 (4 sucks a**).

[michat]

Not to forget Generator, the predecessor of Reaktor

[Sindikhate]

sorry, can't remember any more, as well

B4II, Intakt, Spektral Delay, Kore (yes, it wasn't a plugin per se but an awsome concept), Battery 1-3 (4 sucks a**).

Battery 4 surely does not suck..

What don't you like about it?

[Sascha Franck]

Battery 4 surely does not suck..

What don't you like about it?

Did you ever work with version 3? Then you'd know.

For starters:


And there's more than that.
Besides, Battery is dead, there's not gonna be any further development (semi-officially confirmed by NI in their own forums).

[Sindikhate]

Battery 4 surely does not suck..

What don't you like about it?

Did you ever work with version 3? Then you'd know.

For starters:


And there's more than that.
Besides, Battery is dead, there's not gonna be any further development (semi-officially confirmed by NI in their own forums).

I have used Battery II as well.

This is an 11 year old video that everyone has watched a few times here, a few things have changed since then. And many things in the video are really not so important.

Also I asked you what YOU don't like about battery 4, not what is different from battery 3. What exactly stops you from using it to make a really good track?

Reading the comments on this youtube video, someone could understand why sales may have gone worse. Mostly people who like to repeat things they hear, or not having read a manual, or used the software, or moaning a feature is missing while the feature is there.

People have evolved to moan about things they do not like, and repeating things they hear, stuck in echo chambers, instead of focusing on things they like. They do this on everything in their lives nowadays. Human relationships, products, art, food, weather... you name it, they moan about it.

Battery 4 does not suck. I am pretty sure you can use it and make a platinum record with it as many others have done.

[DCrown]

sorry, can't remember any more, as well

B4II, Intakt, Spektral Delay, Kore (yes, it wasn't a plugin per se but an awsome concept), Battery 1-3 (4 sucks a**).

I also liked Battery 3 more than Battery 4.

[DrGonzo]

Battery 4 does not suck. I am pretty sure you can use it and make a platinum record with it as many others have done.

What has one thing to do with the other? Something can suck and still be used for producing music. It has nothing to do with features. It has everything to do with workflow.