If AI replaces musicians, does the entire plugin industry die with them?

[wagtunes]

I ask.again and again, how could you play in the NBA if you couldn't play basketball better than average or even not at all?!

No one will answer you because the question is irrelevant and nonsensical. Music is not remotely analogous to professional sports.

And if you had to blind test AI vs human with some well-chosen tracks that were completely new to you, you would fail. And as for hybrid music - a combination of human composition and AI - there is no way in the world you would be able to tell which included AI elements and which did not.

So I'm going to embrace AI in my music where it makes sense to do so, rather than freaking out about the New Bad Thing that we must all shun if we are to be true musicians.

Thank you. Some common sense.

[DCrown]

I ask.again and again, how could you play in the NBA if you couldn't play basketball better than average or even not at all?!

No one will answer you because the question is irrelevant and nonsensical. Music is not remotely analogous to professional sports.

And if you had to blind test AI vs human with some well-chosen tracks that were completely new to you, you would fail. And as for hybrid music - a combination of human composition and AI - there is no way in the world you would be able to tell which included AI elements and which did not.

So I'm going to embrace AI in my music where it makes sense to do so, rather than freaking out about the New Bad Thing that we must all shun if we are to be true musicians.

Music is/was competition like sports, just now it has been decided it is not any more.
Bach had to prove his skills in competitions against other organ players, Liszt had many plublic competitions and many other real musicians. There is even some Hollywood movie where a pianist living on on a ship had competitions it was about 1930. There just are no competitions any more cuz no skills at all are required to produce music and the result is a whole lotta crap and everyone thinks he can call himself a music producer. If music is uncreative and the only criteria for good music is whether sound quality is polished, then it doesn't matter whether si or not.

[Tiles]

Music is/was competition like sports

It never was. If that would be the case then most complicated music like Free Jazz would dominate the market. Instead the easy to understand music dominates the market.

[DCrown]

Music is/was competition like sports

It never was.

you obviously know nothing about music history. Paris around 1835 was the centre of art.
If you knew that you would know how many competitions Liszt won and there were lots of competitors. There were great pianists and composers like Sigismond Thalberg or Alkan, I am pretty sure you never geard their names, just ask ai, or is your brain already completely switched off, cuz you completely rely on ai? Or famous Bach vs some organist from Paris competition in Dresden or Mozart in Vienna. It was all about competition.

[Tiles]

you obviously you know nothing about music history.

Of course not. Since I have another opinion to yours

My friend, it's about the market, not your personal preferences. And it has also nothing to do with music history. And no personal attack will change that. I think you're getting carried away with something here. I suggest to calm down.

[DCrown]

you obviously you know nothing about music history.

Of course not. Since I have another opinion to yours

My friend, it's about the market, not your personal preferences.

Is this reply ai generated or posted by a human?
It is about laziness and fake, the market is a joke.
Market is oversaturated, mass products have low value, what is available in surplus has no value or gets boring, so it is all about a worthless product anyway.

[Tiles]

I am a very human, and i start to get angry about an obvious troll that does not accept that his wrong opinion is not accepted by the very most people in this thread. Must be exhausting to judge everything by your own tiny imagination. Newsflash: real humans can have thoughts too, and unlike you, we don’t need to reduce every discussion to ‘worthless mass product’ nonsense.

Your impressive wall of words to compensate for… what exactly? Your ‘Paris 1835 was the centre of art’ lecture doesn’t magically make your reading of music history less shallow. Throwing around names like Thalberg or Alkan doesn’t impress anyone who actually studied the subject, it just screams ‘I read a wiki page and now I’m an expert’. And the condescending AI jab? Cute. But not more. Stick to parroting names and snide comments, maybe one day you’ll graduate from your wiki-level expertise to actual insight. Until then, save the lecture. They’re exhausting to read and worthless to everyone else.

Honestly, i hate to fall back to that kind of vocabulary. But you asked so eagerly for it. Give me a call when you are ready for an adult discussion again.

[Mike777]

Well I just watched yt demos of A.I. Ace Studio and Moises AII Studio which are new type of DAWs but with AI instruments built in like virtual instrument plugins. Also ACE Studio can run inside your DAW as an AI plugin.

You still write your music in a DAW (theirs or yours) and edit notes in midi or adjust recorded audio tracks like you always have. Then if you want, or not, you can generate new, or replaced, instrument and vocal tracks from your tracks. THIS is a game changer. Anyone can sound pro studio.

The instruments and vocals I heard these yt demos of both of these AI DAW's is phenomenal high quality. They don't sound like really good plugins, they sound like studio performances. It's that good.

What this means is if all the instruments like bass, guitar, drums, vocals, synths, etc are this good I will not need to buy or use instrument plugins!

And what's critical is that these instruments and vocals are truly royalty free in your music. They used their own performers and the AI did not learn from the cloud.

[DCrown]

by coincidence I found the perfect example how bad a full ai version is.
First no respect to the artist, he would never allow it. Voice and singing sounds like something I heard a thousand times before, guitar sounds like I heard a thousand times before, stupid drums don't fit and what about the quality of mix?
Overpolished without any personality. Pure uncreativity.
Even the idea to make such a version of a song in a style that completely kills the original soul of the song, omg, how disgusting!!!
Well, Nadia looks like a multi talented musician to me, she is ready to reap the fruits of hard work lol.

Everyone who does not feel how soulless this version is, even though or just because it tries to be soulful,
has sold his soul to AI.

[wagtunes]

I ask.again and again, how could you play in the NBA if you couldn't play basketball better than average or even not at all?!

No one will answer you because the question is irrelevant and nonsensical. Music is not remotely analogous to professional sports.

And if you had to blind test AI vs human with some well-chosen tracks that were completely new to you, you would fail. And as for hybrid music - a combination of human composition and AI - there is no way in the world you would be able to tell which included AI elements and which did not.

So I'm going to embrace AI in my music where it makes sense to do so, rather than freaking out about the New Bad Thing that we must all shun if we are to be true musicians.

Music is/was competition like sports, just now it has been decided it is not any more.
Bach had to prove his skills in competitions against other organ players, Liszt had many plublic competitions and many other real musicians. There is even some Hollywood movie where a pianist living on on a ship had competitions it was about 1930. There just are no competitions any more cuz no skills at all are required to produce music and the result is a whole lotta crap and everyone thinks he can call himself a music producer. If music is uncreative and the only criteria for good music is whether sound quality is polished, then it doesn't matter whether si or not.

What you are describing has nothing to do with AI. This "problem" has existed long before AI. You want to blame the tools but it's not the tools. It's the people who use them.

But here's the thing and this is what you don't seem to understand. Your personal opinion means NOTHING. Hell, it means less than NOTHING.

If John Doe listens to AI music (not that he would even know or care) and likes it, that's ALL that matters.

Trying to roll the musical world up in a ball that you call "good or bad" is irrelevant and pointless.

You will not change what people want to and ENJOY listening to.

Maybe once you accept that, MAYBE you might find some happiness in this world.

But maybe you have to reach my age to understand that.

[fidox]

AI can kiss my ass.
Ram = 2024 (32gb) = 56eur
Ram = 2026 (32gb) = 229eur
Prices are rising due to strong demand for NAND flash from AI infrastructure and cloud providers, which has led to tighter supply.
I was lucky to purchase it in 2024.

[DCrown]

I ask.again and again, how could you play in the NBA if you couldn't play basketball better than average or even not at all?!

No one will answer you because the question is irrelevant and nonsensical. Music is not remotely analogous to professional sports.

And if you had to blind test AI vs human with some well-chosen tracks that were completely new to you, you would fail. And as for hybrid music - a combination of human composition and AI - there is no way in the world you would be able to tell which included AI elements and which did not.

So I'm going to embrace AI in my music where it makes sense to do so, rather than freaking out about the New Bad Thing that we must all shun if we are to be true musicians.

Music is/was competition like sports, just now it has been decided it is not any more.
Bach had to prove his skills in competitions against other organ players, Liszt had many plublic competitions and many other real musicians. There is even some Hollywood movie where a pianist living on on a ship had competitions it was about 1930. There just are no competitions any more cuz no skills at all are required to produce music and the result is a whole lotta crap and everyone thinks he can call himself a music producer. If music is uncreative and the only criteria for good music is whether sound quality is polished, then it doesn't matter whether si or not.

What you are describing has nothing to do with AI. This "problem" has existed long before AI. You want to blame the tools but it's not the tools. It's the people who use them.

But here's the thing and this is what you don't seem to understand. Your personal opinion means NOTHING. Hell, it means less than NOTHING.

If John Doe listens to AI music (not that he would even know or care) and likes it, that's ALL that matters.

Trying to roll the musical world up in a ball that you call "good or bad" is irrelevant and pointless.

You will not change what people want to and ENJOY listening to.

Maybe once you accept that, MAYBE you might find some happiness in this world.

But maybe you have to reach my age to understand that.

I am not going to change anything, pandora's box has been opened anyway. I just am not going to listen and enjoy any ai production. I have the right not to listen or is it an obligation just because it's a trend? Imagine I never cared about instagram or TikTok and I am still alive!
People have the right to have different views and opinions, not sure if even this will change in future, too, there are some topics where it's even become dangerous to have an opinion, so who knows, views on future is speculation anyway.

[bermudagold]

I ask.again and again, how could you play in the NBA if you couldn't play basketball better than average or even not at all?!

No one will answer you because the question is irrelevant and nonsensical. Music is not remotely analogous to professional sports.

sure it is...there is an established minimum competency required to be a professional separate from an amateur in both designation and compensation...AI increases the lowering of that minimum standard and removes the rites of passage and matriculation tests involved in reaching the professional standard...both analogies would result in inevitable dilution of the end product

[wagtunes]

I ask.again and again, how could you play in the NBA if you couldn't play basketball better than average or even not at all?!

No one will answer you because the question is irrelevant and nonsensical. Music is not remotely analogous to professional sports.

And if you had to blind test AI vs human with some well-chosen tracks that were completely new to you, you would fail. And as for hybrid music - a combination of human composition and AI - there is no way in the world you would be able to tell which included AI elements and which did not.

So I'm going to embrace AI in my music where it makes sense to do so, rather than freaking out about the New Bad Thing that we must all shun if we are to be true musicians.

Music is/was competition like sports, just now it has been decided it is not any more.
Bach had to prove his skills in competitions against other organ players, Liszt had many plublic competitions and many other real musicians. There is even some Hollywood movie where a pianist living on on a ship had competitions it was about 1930. There just are no competitions any more cuz no skills at all are required to produce music and the result is a whole lotta crap and everyone thinks he can call himself a music producer. If music is uncreative and the only criteria for good music is whether sound quality is polished, then it doesn't matter whether si or not.

What you are describing has nothing to do with AI. This "problem" has existed long before AI. You want to blame the tools but it's not the tools. It's the people who use them.

But here's the thing and this is what you don't seem to understand. Your personal opinion means NOTHING. Hell, it means less than NOTHING.

If John Doe listens to AI music (not that he would even know or care) and likes it, that's ALL that matters.

Trying to roll the musical world up in a ball that you call "good or bad" is irrelevant and pointless.

You will not change what people want to and ENJOY listening to.

Maybe once you accept that, MAYBE you might find some happiness in this world.

But maybe you have to reach my age to understand that.

I am not going to change anything, pandora's box has been opened anyway. I just am not going to listen andvenjoy any ai production. I have the right not to listen or is it an obligation just because it's a trend? Imagine I never cared about instagram or TikTok and I am still alive!
People have the right to have different views and opinions, not sure if even this will change in future, too, there are some topics where it is even become dangerous to have an opinion, so who knows, views on future is speculation anyway.

Great! Don't listen to it. Nobody cares if you don't listen to it.

So will you please SHUT UP ALREADY!!!!

This is getting old and tiresome.

[vurt]

I ask.again and again, how could you play in the NBA if you couldn't play basketball better than average or even not at all?!

No one will answer you because the question is irrelevant and nonsensical. Music is not remotely analogous to professional sports.

sure it is...there is an established minimum competency required to be a professional separate from an amateur in both designation and compensation...

the only thing required to be professional rather than amateur is whether you make money.
sid vicious was a professional musician. his competency level was beginner, that's being generous.