Rick Rubin on AI (& now Graeme Revell, too)

[Opaque]

yea, people get drawn in by how it appears, but it's worth repeating that fundamentally there's no semantics with LLMs, just pure syntax

[BONES]

None of it is emergent in the way that you're thinking. By calling it emergent, I was not claiming it lacked design, but distinguishing it from a single authored, linear construction. etc., etc., etc.

You're still talking in vagaries, ignoring the specific example provided. We agree that Moltbook is joke, so why keep banging on about it? It's a complete waste of time trying to have a conversation with you.

[eassae]

What none of you seem to understand is that in A.I. we have created the God that we have always longed for—ushered in to the world by none other than the holy of holies Rick Rubin. In his beneficence he brings humanity the gospel of a deity that will finally free us from all toil and thought—free us from the burden that that one lady plagued us with by eating apples, or something like that.

It's gunna' be off the chain. What‽

[ghettosynth]

None of it is emergent in the way that you're thinking. By calling it emergent, I was not claiming it lacked design, but distinguishing it from a single authored, linear construction. etc., etc., etc.

You're still talking in vagaries, ignoring the specific example provided. We agree that Moltbook is joke, so why keep banging on about it? It's a complete waste of time trying to have a conversation with you.

There's nothing vague there. I showed you the exact language that defines how this works.
Whether it's a joke or not is beside the point. The point is that it is not scary or new in any interesting way. The only thing that you can hang on it as interesting is the number of agents connected to the same system. It does not indicate any trajectory towards anything that might be viewed as sentient.

"Most of" means that some are emergent and it only takes one to start a revolution. The example near the start of the video where the guy gets up in the morning and his AI agent has done stuff overnight without having to be told to do it is really all you need to know.

There's no revolution in the works here. This isn't new. What you're seeing is an agentic system with a cron job. People have been building personal assistants with n8n for the last few years.

If you're worried about AI, this should scare the living shit out of you -

If you mean the examples in this, yes, so what? That's what agentic systems do. It's not new. It's not even interesting. If it's the first time that you're hearing about it then I suppose it might seem like magic.

What exactly is it that you want to talk about?

[BONES]

What none of you seem to understand is that in A.I. we have created the God that we have always longed for

I think what we're really creating are slaves, not gods. Slaves we don't have to feel guilty about. And, as through history, the slave-traders will get rich off the back of people's laziness and desire for a life of ease. It's how humanity works.

It does not indicate any trajectory towards anything that might be viewed as sentient.

But think where it might be in a week or a month, let alone a whole a year, as LLMs get better and HRMs become more commonplace. Baby steps at the speed of light, guided evolution in real time. It's nothing if not a little bit fascinating.

[Morgaxx]

What none of you seem to understand is that in A.I. we have created the God that we have always longed for

I think what we're really creating are slaves, not gods. Slaves we don't have to feel guilty about. And, as through history, the slave-traders will get rich off the back of people's laziness and desire for a life of ease. It's how humanity works.

It does not indicate any trajectory towards anything that might be viewed as sentient.

But think where it might be in a week or a month, let alone a whole a year, as LLMs get better and HRMs become more commonplace. Baby steps at the speed of light, guided evolution in real time. It's nothing if not a little bit fascinating.

The Last Question by Isaac Asimov is a short story that takes an interesting turn at this thought.

[Zeisner]

What exactly is it that you want to talk about?

He's just trolling. Come on, now he even claims to have studied physics. It's like having a discussion with Trump, the exact same pattern.

[jancivil]

"But think where it might be in a week or a month, let alone a whole a year, as LLMs get better" at what?
borders on delusional. it's an averaging engine, it's not built to do all of that, it fabricates simulacra and it's demonstrably going to f**k that up once its task exceeds a level of prevalence on the internet or requires actual understanding. Your belief is not different than believing a parrot is communicating with you.

[ghettosynth]

What exactly is it that you want to talk about?

He's just trolling. Come on, now he even claims to have studied physics. It's like having a discussion with Trump, the exact same pattern.

I try to give people the benefit of the doubt. I assume that there's some genuine interest.

[machinesworking]

What none of you seem to understand is that in A.I. we have created the God that we have always longed for

I think what we're really creating are slaves, not gods. Slaves we don't have to feel guilty about. And, as through history, the slave-traders will get rich off the back of people's laziness and desire for a life of ease. It's how humanity works.

It does not indicate any trajectory towards anything that might be viewed as sentient.

But think where it might be in a week or a month, let alone a whole a year, as LLMs get better and HRMs become more commonplace. Baby steps at the speed of light, guided evolution in real time. It's nothing if not a little bit fascinating.

So this site is designed by and populated by AI chatbots. There's almost no human interaction in terms of content, or from what my friend is telling me even joining up.
https://www.moltbook.com

IMO this is how life in general began, at one point the entire oceans of the world had all the essential ingredients, the result was so close to the molecular structure of life that scientists have a hard time telling what is just a complex molecule and what is life.Then one day something becomes life, not by random chance, but constant repetition of a pattern that resembles life.

The beginning of the end.

[ghettosynth]

What none of you seem to understand is that in A.I. we have created the God that we have always longed for

I think what we're really creating are slaves, not gods. Slaves we don't have to feel guilty about. And, as through history, the slave-traders will get rich off the back of people's laziness and desire for a life of ease. It's how humanity works.

It does not indicate any trajectory towards anything that might be viewed as sentient.

But think where it might be in a week or a month, let alone a whole a year, as LLMs get better and HRMs become more commonplace. Baby steps at the speed of light, guided evolution in real time. It's nothing if not a little bit fascinating.

So this site is designed by and populated by AI chatbots. There's almost no human interaction in terms of content, or from what my friend is telling me even joining up.
https://www.moltbook.com

IMO this is how life in general began, at one point the entire oceans of the world had all the essential ingredients, the result was so close to the molecular structure of life that scientists have a hard time telling what is just a complex molecule and what is life.Then one day something becomes life, not by random chance, but constant repetition of a pattern that resembles life.

The beginning of the end.

There is an absolute shit ton of indirect human interaction in moltbook and plenty of direct interaction. This is nothing like life evolving on a planet. The analogy is cute, but of no interest outside of sci-fi tropes. Biological life emerged from vast numbers of independent, self-sustaining physical interactions with intrinsic reproduction and selection. AI systems, even at massive scale, which this is not, sample from fixed, externally defined distributions. Increasing participation raises output volume, not autonomy, persistence, or evolutionary dynamics. None of the bots are independent in any reasonable sense in this analogy. This is a puppet, not a boy.

Even if you reduce the claim to that of autonomy, this is not that. It seems that the casual hype has more than a few of you fooled into thinking that this is really something.

[machinesworking]

There is an absolute shit ton of indirect human interaction in moltbook and plenty of direct interaction. This is nothing like life evolving on a planet. The analogy is cute, but of no interest outside of sci-fi tropes. Biological life emerged from vast numbers of independent, self-sustaining physical interactions with intrinsic reproduction and selection. AI systems, even at massive scale, which this is not, sample from fixed, externally defined distributions. Increasing participation raises output volume, not autonomy, persistence, or evolutionary dynamics. None of the bots are independent in any reasonable sense in this analogy. This is a puppet, not a boy.

Even if you reduce the claim to that of autonomy, this is not that. It seems that the casual hype has more than a few of you fooled into thinking that this is really something.

I get why you're skeptical, but even in your own argument there are serious flaws. Biological life does seem to indeed be the product of random natural occurrences, that we can agree on, where we disagree is whether specific intent and limited autonomy is going to hinder or increase the chances of something like life or ideas not programmed into AI. We're already seeing a variety of approaches, Grok has some serious anti social tendencies with it's Mecha Hitler stage, putting at one point Musk above Jesus Christ, and it's allowing the creation of CSAM. If/when the morality of machines becomes somewhat autonomous then we will see what looks like life IMO.

This all boils down to whether you believe in something like the sanctity of life, if you think that we have free will. I do not, I've read too many solid arguments against the very human concept of free will, and they hold too much weight for me to ignore.

So with that out of the way, your argument that it truly doesn't have free will because the programming of it is to make it a slave kinda falls short, if you don't think people are truly capable of free will. Once you start reading enough psychology books the idea that we aren't products of our upbringing starts to fall apart, add in that decisions are made before the conscious mind is activated, and it withers to nothing.

[ghettosynth]

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[Zeisner]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clustering_illusion

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ELIZA_effect

That's the magic of AI and agents.