Future of Windows in pro audio

[BBFG#]

Near zero is not zero and growing everyday. It's not nearly as small as Apple would like us to believe.

[jamcat]

The sad thing is that most people don't understand Open Source. They've heard the term, and equate it to mean that everything is libre, and no one pays for anything. There are even a lot of Linux users (most of them new to linux) that don't understand the true idea behind Open Source. That's why so many people not involved with it think that it's Gratis AND Libre, because of the English word, "Free".

It's because there is a certain Linux culture that doesn't spend money on software or personal hygiene.

[audiojunkie]

Yes, but that now brings us to the point that there is near zero market for audio software on Linux, which means audio developers lose money for developing by a platform with no market for their software, and a tiny non-tech userbase that is generally hostile towards the idea of copy protection or paying for software.

It's a catch-22. You can't get more developers without more purchasers. You can't get more purchasers without more of the software they want. So, Linux users have to be more vocal about not only asking for native Linux software, but also about the benefits of Linux. The more Linux users we get, and the more developers we get, the more the cycle perpetuates itself for good. We don't have as much software as Windows and MacOS, but that gets better and better on a daily basis. And more users use Linux as a result too. We aren't completely without software. Check this out:

https://www.kvraudio.com/plugins/the-ne ... gins/linux

https://linuxdaw.org/

[BBFG#]

The sad thing is that most people don't understand Open Source. They've heard the term, and equate it to mean that everything is libre, and no one pays for anything. There are even a lot of Linux users (most of them new to linux) that don't understand the true idea behind Open Source. That's why so many people not involved with it think that it's Gratis AND Libre, because of the English word, "Free".

It's because there is a certain Linux culture that doesn't spend money on software or personal hygiene.

That's a trope long been used towards Windows users. I'm sure Apple has their share too. At least, I've met more than I care to.

[jamcat]

It's a catch-22. You can't get more developers without more purchasers. You can't get more purchasers without more of the software they want. So, Linux users have to be more vocal about not only asking for native Linux software, but also about the benefits of Linux. The more Linux users we get, and the more developers we get, the more the cycle perpetuates itself for good.

But at some point you're just Scientology.

[audiojunkie]

The sad thing is that most people don't understand Open Source. They've heard the term, and equate it to mean that everything is libre, and no one pays for anything. There are even a lot of Linux users (most of them new to linux) that don't understand the true idea behind Open Source. That's why so many people not involved with it think that it's Gratis AND Libre, because of the English word, "Free".

It's because there is a certain Linux culture that doesn't spend money on software or personal hygiene.

That's pretty insulting. I expected more from you than that. I always thought we could speak openly and reasonably about things like this.

Nevertheless, there ARE some of the Linux culture who refuse to use anything that is not open source. But then again, that doesn't really affect things negatively either, because they don't use commercial software at all--to them, it's not whether it is gratis or not, it's whether its libre or not. And they don't like privatized, closed-source, commercial software, and simply refuse to use it. So those particular users don't really get involved in the commercial side of things.

[audiojunkie]

It's a catch-22. You can't get more developers without more purchasers. You can't get more purchasers without more of the software they want. So, Linux users have to be more vocal about not only asking for native Linux software, but also about the benefits of Linux. The more Linux users we get, and the more developers we get, the more the cycle perpetuates itself for good.

But at some point you're just Scientology.

Now you've lost me. I don't get that reference. My point is that as a happy linux user that wants more commercial music software on linux, I have to somehow advocate to help people learn how nice Linux is, and what benefits come from it. I make myself available to answer new linux user's questions. I openly contact developers to let them know when they have software that I'd love to buy from them. Little by little, more people try Linux. Some get frustrated, but at least they gave it a try. Some try it and like the benefits of using linux. Some have no interest. But year by year, with more Linux users, and more linux developers, the platform slowly but surely becomes a mainstream option. Nowadays, software is not considered truly cross platform if it is not supported by the big three main OS platforms--linux being one of them.

[jamcat]

That's pretty insulting. I expected more from you than that. I always thought we could speak openly and reasonably about things like this.

Aw, come on. It's just a joke because there's a particular stereotype of the bearded Dungeon Master in Birkenstocks.

Now you've lost me. I don't get that reference.

Because what you describe could also be applied to trying to grow a cult.

[audiojunkie]

That's pretty insulting. I expected more from you than that. I always thought we could speak openly and reasonably about things like this.

Aw, come on. It's just a joke because there's a particular stereotype of the bearded Dungeon Master in Birkenstocks.

Now you've lost me. I don't get that reference.

Because what you describe could also be applied to trying to grow a cult.

LOL! OK. I can't disagree with old hippie culture stereotype from the early days of computing--although I must say, Steve Jobs wore Birkenstocks, lived in a commune, ate mostly fruit, did acid, and was pretty much a hippie when starting Apple out in a garage in Cupertino.

I think we can safely say that we are past the hippie culture years for computing.

[BBFG#]

Oh, Birkenstock are definitely in the Apple camp along with Subaru.

[keys_au1]

It's a shame Steam cannot do more for Linux gamers out there. Proton is ok, just, but there is a plethora of games that do not run well under Proton there, that Steam simply refuse to convert. Mostly the big titles.

Haha, I reckon if you got the gaming community on-board the rest would follow. It is gaming after all, that drove MOST of the intense improvements in PCs CPUs RAM and graphics over the past 25 -35 years.

Yeah, I know a bit OT, but I had to get that in there

[audiojunkie]

It's a shame Steam cannot do more for Linux gamers out there. Proton is ok, just, but there is a plethora of games that do not run well under Proton there, that Steam simply refuse to convert. Mostly the big titles.

Haha, I reckon if you got the gaming community on-board the rest would follow. It is gaming after all, that drove MOST of the intense improvements in PCs CPUs RAM and graphics over the past 25 -35 years.

Yeah, I know a bit OT, but I had to get that in there

Valve has done so much for growing the Linux userbase. I have a lot of respect for them.

[BBFG#]

It's a shame Steam cannot do more for Linux gamers out there. Proton is ok, just, but there is a plethora of games that do not run well under Proton there, that Steam simply refuse to convert. Mostly the big titles.

Haha, I reckon if you got the gaming community on-board the rest would follow. It is gaming after all, that drove MOST of the intense improvements in PCs CPUs RAM and graphics over the past 25 -35 years.

Yeah, I know a bit OT, but I had to get that in there

No, it's still porn that drives the development.

[keys_au1]

...No, it's still porn that drives the development.

ROTFLMAO!!!

[keys_au1]

.....Valve has done so much for growing the Linux userbase. I have a lot of respect for them.

How do you reckon SteamOS would go doubling up as a audio production OS? Especially with Reaper.

It is a serious question, been thinking about SteamOS for a while and if it has matured at all as an OS.