Roland Cloud

[Teksonik]

I just purchased a lifetime key for the D-50 which is my first Roland Cloud plugin. I'm going to post a bit of a rant on the app itself.

First off it wants to load at start up which is a huge irritant to me but of course it can be disabled:

RCM 0211126-4.png

The RCM service runs as a process even when the RCM is not running:

RCM 0211126-3.png

So all that for a single plugin. I own several hundred plugins from about four dozen developers so imagine if all of them required a "Manager" app that wants to run at startup and as a running process.

I've been on a sort of personal crusade against the notion that developers are allowed to do anything to our systems they wish just because we bought a bit of their software.

Just because I bought a vacuum cleaner from you that doesn't mean you get the key to the front door of my house. That's a bit of an over the top analogy but it gets the point across.

Luckily I have a second studio computer that I can infect errrr I mean install this kind of bloatware on so no big deal. I don't regret the purchase as I've always wanted a D-50 since the day the hardware was first released.

But the chance that I'll install the RCM on my main studio system is pretty slim. Maybe if I pick up several other Roland synths at the same low price but for just one? No. If Roland did away with the need for the RCM I probably would have purchased many more over the years so who knows if it's doing them good in the long run or not.

[Matt67]

You do not need RCM for the D50 to run. Simply disable Cloud Manager and Cloud Manager Service in Windows Startup (Autostart). The D50 will run even without RCM running.

[yul]

You do not need RCM for the D50 to run. Simply disable Cloud Manager and Cloud Manager Service in Windows Startup (Autostart). The D50 will run even without RCM running.

I don't use Roland vst because of this. Which plugins can bypass the RCM out of curiosity. I am looking at the JD, XV and Jup 4.

[D-Fusion]

You do not need RCM for the D50 to run. Simply disable Cloud Manager and Cloud Manager Service in Windows Startup (Autostart). The D50 will run even without RCM running.

You have to re enable the rcm service every 30.days to re authorize your plugins.

[Matt67]

That's right. But RCM doesn't have to run continuously. And logging in once every 30 days is not a reason for me to go without this great synth.

[IvyBirds]

That's right. But RCM doesn't have to run continuously. And logging in once every 30 days is not a reason for me to go without this great synth.

Just make sure you run it. You are playing with fire. I used to use the D50 plugin live, figured once every 30 days was enough, it's not because you don't know and can't know when that clock starts

Had it up and running on my laptop at home in my studio with Gig Speed Internet, including RCM, left for the gig, gig was outdoors had no wifi or cell phone service

So no Fantasia for me, fortunately other Synths I had on my laptop had similar patches

[VitaminD]

I just purchased a lifetime key for the D-50 which is my first Roland Cloud plugin. I'm going to post a bit of a rant on the app itself.

First off it wants to load at start up which is a huge irritant to me but of course it can be disabled:


RCM 0211126-4.png


The RCM service runs as a process even when the RCM is not running:


RCM 0211126-3.png


So all that for a single plugin. I own several hundred plugins from about four dozen developers so imagine if all of them required a "Manager" app that wants to run at startup and as a running process.

I have to agree with you on this one. It is the sole reason I don't own and use Roland Software. The client implementation of the 'cloud' infrastructure is not great imo.

30 days per is annoying too, but I could begrudgingly accept it. 365 days seems better though...

[Aloysius]

iLok

[electro]

iLok

Is 2026 the year of ilok USB ending the RCM madness?

[D-Fusion]

I just purchased a lifetime key for the D-50 which is my first Roland Cloud plugin. I'm going to post a bit of a rant on the app itself.

First off it wants to load at start up which is a huge irritant to me but of course it can be disabled:


RCM 0211126-4.png


The RCM service runs as a process even when the RCM is not running:


RCM 0211126-3.png


So all that for a single plugin. I own several hundred plugins from about four dozen developers so imagine if all of them required a "Manager" app that wants to run at startup and as a running process.

I have to agree with you on this one. It is the sole reason I don't own and use Roland Software. The client implementation of the 'cloud' infrastructure is not great imo.

30 days per is annoying too, but I could begrudgingly accept it. 365 days seems better though...

With a timer like Reason studio have so you know the hour and day when the Authorization runs out.

[Teksonik]

You do not need RCM for the D50 to run. Simply disable Cloud Manager and Cloud Manager Service in Windows Startup (Autostart). The D50 will run even without RCM running.

Yes as I have already written above:

it wants to load at start up which is a huge irritant to me but of course it can be disabled.

Which I have done but go ahead and load a Roland plugin. You'll get this, the RCM.exe running:

RCM 0211126-5.png

Now if you're saying the RCM can be totally uninstalled then that's a different matter. I have not tried that yet.

[Teksonik]

iLok

I'd rather nuzzle the devil's taint.

[IvyBirds]

I just purchased a lifetime key for the D-50 which is my first Roland Cloud plugin. I'm going to post a bit of a rant on the app itself.

First off it wants to load at start up which is a huge irritant to me but of course it can be disabled:


RCM 0211126-4.png


The RCM service runs as a process even when the RCM is not running:


RCM 0211126-3.png


So all that for a single plugin. I own several hundred plugins from about four dozen developers so imagine if all of them required a "Manager" app that wants to run at startup and as a running process.

I have to agree with you on this one. It is the sole reason I don't own and use Roland Software. The client implementation of the 'cloud' infrastructure is not great imo.

30 days per is annoying too, but I could begrudgingly accept it. 365 days seems better though...

With a timer like Reason studio have so you know the hour and day when the Authorization runs out.

Even better run it once when your first install and authorize it and since you own it outright and it's not a subscription never run it again because the actually acknowledges that you have a lifetime key

[Teksonik]

For me it's about the rights of paying customers. I understand the need for developers to protect their intellectual property but don't make paying customers pay the price. You don't get to spew any .exes or processes on our systems just to protect your IP especially since the IP we create can't be protected....at all.

On my studio system I have just under 400 plugins installed and not one of them require iLok. I simply won't install it so obviously it's not a necessity, it's just a crutch for lazy developers or those who think using ilok makes them look like a "big player" in the biz.

I'm not going to get any further into yet another iLok war. Use it if you think it respects you as a paying customer. I simply will not at least on my most important studio system.

[D-Fusion]

I just purchased a lifetime key for the D-50 which is my first Roland Cloud plugin. I'm going to post a bit of a rant on the app itself.

First off it wants to load at start up which is a huge irritant to me but of course it can be disabled:


RCM 0211126-4.png


The RCM service runs as a process even when the RCM is not running:


RCM 0211126-3.png


So all that for a single plugin. I own several hundred plugins from about four dozen developers so imagine if all of them required a "Manager" app that wants to run at startup and as a running process.

I have to agree with you on this one. It is the sole reason I don't own and use Roland Software. The client implementation of the 'cloud' infrastructure is not great imo.

30 days per is annoying too, but I could begrudgingly accept it. 365 days seems better though...

With a timer like Reason studio have so you know the hour and day when the Authorization runs out.

Even better run it once when your first install and authorize it and since you own it outright and it's not a subscription never run it again because the actually acknowledges that you have a lifetime key

That is the best option of them all but it will never happen or they would have done something about it years ago when people started to complain about it.

The only thing we got was 7 days of activation changed to a 30 day activation period and then they also tied the activation to their Cloud app so you are forced to open up that crap to re-authorize everything.

Before that you could have 1 activated plugin in you daw template and it activated all your products automatically when you opened the Daw if the Authorization had run out and now you are met with a Not Authorized message and you have to open the app and most of the times you will also have to do a restart of your pc for it to show up as authorized.