Three Body Tech: _new_ FutureMB //sort of a MultiBand-Comp, but more

[Funky40]

a new product from Three Body Technologies:

FutureMB
sort of a cross of already existing TBT poducts. Somehow a multiband comp, but enhanced
intro price:$119 / regular: $199 / 2 licenses.
vs. Latency see below

https://www.threebodytech.com/en/produc ... newsletter

Features:
- up to 6 Bands
- per band: compression / upward compression / spectral peak limiting / spectral peak enhance IF: Spectral is set to on. (adds 42.7ms Latency)
- cross sidechaining possible, frequenzy vs. frequenzy ( i´ve not tested that myself so far)

the making leaves some wishes open for my taste:


What i can tell:
- latency: none / IF you set Spectral mode to off
- set to on: 42.7ms at 48khz
- EDIT: The spectral modus has the low latency setting ! jay. no added latency then
- Phase modes: Minimum- , Liquid- , Linear-
- Linear phase has a latency of 42.7ms, rsp. doubles the latency to: 85ms with Spectral set to on
- crossover steepnes is adjustable
- oversampling: off / 2x / 4x ( with as much CPU usage increase)
- CPU:...hmm, more on the upper side vs. other top outboard/FX - when everything is on.

- operation looks straight forward
- shifting bands sideways, moves others, they shift back in case you moved to far into a 3rd one and backing off. It´s all rubberband. this looks well thoughtout


I had only a short test with some resonanty percussive sounds, mostly slap Bass loops. It looks very interesting re. such material. Can´t comment vs. other sort of material.

I´m a TBT fanbboy, i must admit ( and i just grabbed me the full copy)

The demo runs for 25mins, "then" it applys some silence from time to time.
Presets saving is not available in the demo. Saving a preset over my hosts own save dialog did not work out ! ...just lost all my first work.

[Funky40]

Attack Time is btw. up to 250ms !.....And NOT just up to 50ms. Very useful for me.

I Love this Comp-EQ thingy !



And works great with the Snappy-Snap. I had to turn off the oversampling on F-MB.
So far only tested with the free LE version. Quite fun that pairing.


Took me two hours to get a feel for it.

[Ploki]

they really leaned into fabfilter aesthetic

[MirkoVanHauten]

As "new" as their their other slop.

[NAD]

they really leaned into fabfilter aesthetic

lol I was thinking the same...

[Funky40]

FutureMB
sort of a cross of already existing TBT poducts.

i made that point. But this does not make this plugin here a bad thing.
It just puts some questions on the table.......



and yes, the Kirchhoff EQ literally looked like FFs style stolen. And FF had it from, who was it ? Voxengo ?.......we´ve had here this discussion already. FF was not first inline. So,.....edit: i stand corrected by @bmanic / see below


The kirchhoff EQ is vs. its GUI and access even better than pro-Q3 has been. So, that was not just cloning. It was to take things a step further. And then other brands followed. This IS how this SW market works right now vs. several types of products.


Slop ?.......well.....to each his own.
To me is TBT one of the leading Dev groups vs. some specific things.



This thing here is awesome. Love it. perfect for percussive material.
The best thing i ever touched to deal with slap Bass.


I do not correct things with this tool. I form my sound. The mix of these functions in one plugin is hugely inspiring and intuitiv in use. IMHO a very logical step to do just that. This plugin.
But call it all slop.......

[bmanic]

. FF was not first inline. So,.....wtf

.. actually, they were. The color scheme, mouse interaction and way Pro-Q the original worked, was indeed "first". They also were the first to implement the "simply drag as many points you need" and immediately create new EQ bands, up to 24 of them in a single instance and have flexible mid/side/L/R for each band.

It was NOT the first to have round nodes that you could drag around. Voxengo already had that earlier, though it was quite cumbersome in comparison.

Then there was that one free EQ called Nyquist EQ.. very early VST plugin that also had some nodes you could drag around, and overall a really nice simple UI.

But yeah, FabFilter does earn all of the reputation of being "first". They did literally change the industry with Pro-Q. Everything else since then has been some kind of copy of their concept.

[bmanic]

Still, no matter how much Three Body Tech copies FabFilter, or somebody else, it is NOT at all slop. I'd say the hitrate of "excellent" plugins from this company is very high. Kirchoff EQ is far more capable than Pro-Q ever was.. or even is to this day. Their compressor is still more flexible than even Pro-C3. SpecCraft is one of the best resonance suppression tools out there and their AI captured mojo plugins are in my opinion the best ones yet on the market.

So do not underestimate this company, no mater how cookie cutter copy/paste the UI may look. These are no toys. These are serious tools done by very talented developers.

Looking very much forward to testing this new multiband. The feature set looks excellent!

[Funky40]

. FF was not first inline. So,.....wtf

.. actually, they were. The color scheme, mouse interaction and way Pro-Q the original worked, was indeed "first". They also were the first to implement the "simply drag as many points you need" and immediately create new EQ bands, up to 24 of them in a single instance and have flexible mid/side/L/R for each band.

It was NOT the first to have round nodes that you could drag around. Voxengo already had that earlier, though it was quite cumbersome in comparison.

Okey, thanks for clarification ! so i had just one part of the story in mind.

Kirchoff EQ is far more capable than Pro-Q ever was.. or even is to this day.

Yes. when it comes to deal with dynamic EQing,- re. my uses -, was pro-Q4 already behind the Kirchhoff EQ at the day of its release. Nevertheless pro-Q4 has still its strong points. Just, how i work...is the Kirchhoff EQ the much more powerful tool.

I have fantastic results vs. synths with the Kirchoff EQ.
But vs. more percussive Material, leave out drums, are my results not worth the time i have to spend to get to the point where some small wins might be possible ( refering to dynamic EQing).

Exactly here comes the new FutureMB into play.
I was immediately able to deal with percussive material nicely.


Btw. i have *right now* my first session with FutureMB vs. dealing with Synths.
It´s great, it´s great. Love it. But would guess it won´t replace the KirchEQ nor some common compression in these patches. I´ll see it more as an additional tool. But i would guess it will replace Spec Craft for me.

btw. i just found out that the spectral modus HAS the low latency mode ! as Spec Craft has. Jay
i find it extremly useful to use the spectral mode in conjunction with some dynamic EQing. I see there my win with this tool.

[Funky40]

an oversight from my side vs. the features:

The spectral modus has the low latency setting as Spec Craft has !
jay. no added latency then

[kraster]

Still, no matter how much Three Body Tech copies FabFilter, or somebody else, it is NOT at all slop. I'd say the hitrate of "excellent" plugins from this company is very high. Kirchoff EQ is far more capable than Pro-Q ever was.. or even is to this day. Their compressor is still more flexible than even Pro-C3. SpecCraft is one of the best resonance suppression tools out there and their AI captured mojo plugins are in my opinion the best ones yet on the market.

So do not underestimate this company, no mater how cookie cutter copy/paste the UI may look. These are no toys. These are serious tools done by very talented developers.

Looking very much forward to testing this new multiband. The feature set looks excellent!

But when it comes to UI and UX I still get the "we have fabfilter at home, dear" vibes from their plugins. Particularly Kirchoff.

There's a lot of on paper capabilities in Kirchoff that certainly exceed ProQ but in use it's the UX of FF that keeps me there. And I think Q4 widened that gap even more with things like instancing.

Pro C3 has replaced my daily driver of Trackcomp as my default dynamics plugin in Pro Tools. (In Pro Tools you can have a default eq and dynamics plugin so it's a good measure of who's top of the pops!) And Pro Q is still a permanent fixture.

I don't think TBT make crap plugins in any way. They're actually superb for the most part. I use Cenozoix quite often as an alternative, I think Trinity shaper is underrated and Cabinetron gets a lot of use.

[milanesa]

Can anyone share the demo installer? The website doesn't work

[billinder33]

Does this allow the spectral in one band and compression in the other? If so, can they be cross-modulated?

Does this do anything that Pro-MB and the spectral section of Pro-Q don't?

[Funky40]

Does this allow the spectral in one band and compression in the other? I

Yes.

The Spectral switch is global. But each EQ band has two sliders to activate the spectral processing in %. You dial in the amount of processing you want. From 0% to 100% ....upward -enhancing / downward -cutting-.

Each Band has a on/off switch for each processing section.
Gate / Upward / Compressor / Output = all of it /
These two spectral dial in sliders are part of the respective section ( upwrd / comp)

I´ve not played with cross-modulation so far, but you can do that.
Hmm, ok, i just had a quick rough look. That´s different than thought. But looks quite opulent.

There are several options.
There is a Matrix mode:
- There, each band is represented in any other by its own -+ 100% slider vs. sidechain (plus/minus value). You activate that just by dial in the slider, or not.
Sidechain section:
- Has a Free setting. Allows to specifie a certain frequenzy range to be taken as the SC input ( similar to what the kirchEQ has)
- EXT for the SC audio input / has a own 3 band EQ
- you can on/off switch these sections.
- "Looks to me" like everything could be active at the same time.
- plus there are LR settings available. Div. L/R settings to chose from. I see no mid or side. plus a stereo link fader. 0-100%
- Heaphone symbol (to solo listen the SC)

Does this do anything that Pro-MB and the spectral section of Pro-Q don't?

To me, that´s not same.

The TBT FutureMB allows for upward and downward processing within one and the same band at the same time. With own attack/release settings.
The Kirchhoff EQ has similar capabilities. But the feature set is different. To where you can take it is different ( Kirch vs. FutureMB). These two TBT tools have -to me- exactly there "their very own" strong points.
You can´t work with the Fabfilter tools in that same way, imho. *
Their (FF) strong points are elsewhere for my taste.


* ( don´t tell me anybody that you could just take a own EQ band for upward processing and another own one for downward....it would be ......very theoretical / you have to be into working with the TBT tools to know what i mean. "That topic" is deeper..... )

[billinder33]

Does this allow the spectral in one band and compression in the other? I

Yes.

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In your opinion, if someone has Pro-Q, Pro-MB, and MA Fuse Comp (for upward compression), would there be any need for this tool?

Generally, I understand that consolidation of tools into a single tool can be beneficial in cases - mult-FX, synths with multiple osc types, channel strips, etc. But I'm rarely using the processes this tool provides (mostly as a last resort) and don't think I've ever applied multiple of them to the same source. I'm not against it, but I'm not sure I understand what problem this solves that having analogous separate tools wouldn't. Is it a tool consolidation play? Radical sound shaper? Something that solves issues in mastering (seems dangerous) that having separate tools doesn't?