If AI replaces musicians, does the entire plugin industry die with them?

[Grizzellda]

lmao.. imagine being scared of creativity. The insecurity is loud and blaming tools really wild.

People who reduce music to the DAW they use aren’t musicians.
Real musicians make music with whatever tool is in front of them.
The rest just need a logo to hide behind.

Are you directing this at me? Because you insulted me in another thread.

I do not blame tools, unless they are not fit to be called "tools". I have a few DAWs. I post about MuLab because it is awesome and needs some promotion, even here...well, KVR posting is not exactly "professional advertising".

[enCiphered]

lmao.. imagine being scared of creativity. The insecurity is loud and blaming tools really wild.

People who reduce music to the DAW they use aren’t musicians.
Real musicians make music with whatever tool is in front of them.
The rest just need a logo to hide behind.

Are you directing this at me? Because you insulted me in another thread.

I do not blame tools, unless they are not fit to be called "tools". I have a few DAWs. I post about MuLab because it is awesome and needs some promotion, even here...well, KVR posting is not exactly "professional advertising".

Oh no, this was addressed to @jamcat´s post

[OverBrightBlueLED]

Software sales will very obviously drop. People will prompt their own synths and plug ins soon. Probably all coding jobs in every field of computing will likely be gone in a short but unknown amount of time.

It is difficult to see this as anything other than cataclysmic for coding of computer applications including OS, phone apps, websites, server scripts, any software at all, everything.

The musicians who play out and studio musicians will carry on making what they make much the same for the life enhancing and enriching aspects.

[Grizzellda]

Oh no, this was addressed to @jamcat´s post

Alright!

I don't mind a reasonable argument on KVR, I always respect fellow posters.

[Teksonik]

A.I. can emulate but can it innovate? Can it make whole new genres or sub-genres? I don't know, maybe so and perhaps as it matures it will be able to create instead of recreate.

If you can innovate the prompts to give to AI it will attempt to create a tune in the new genre you wish to create — then you keep hammering at it with prompts until it produces what you had in mind. You create the genre and innovate, AI does its best to comply with your prompts. It will keep trying to shape the project until you either decide you have what you want or you give up. AI doesn’t decide any of that.

So basically AI can't innovate or create. It can only recreate what it is fed. That's not really intelligence is it?

AI will never have a soul or a spirit. It's just a mindless machine spitting out what it's prompted to do.

If one can get any artistic or personal satisfaction by making music using words in a prompt then I have nothing but sympathy for them as they are missing the whole joy of creating Art in any form.

We have to be careful that the use of AI doesn't become a crutch instead a tool. To go from something we can use to something we must use.

[DCrown]

I am not sure whether ai will only be able to recreate in future. Maybe it will be able to create new fusion music combining all kinds of genres or even create completely new genres, create new instruments and sounds, new languages for lyrics, make animals sing, we are used to male, female, kids and baby voice , maybe ai will create a new gender with a never before heard vocal timbre etc.

[sqigls]

if the music you make is the type of music that a robot can nail the essence of, then good f**king riddance.

[Tj Shredder]

Before AI replaces musicians, it will replace plugin programmers. That is happening already. Nothing to worry about…

[sqigls]

oh no
crap plugins are taking over!!!
everybody ruuuuun!!!

[Tj Shredder]

The opposite, if a human makes the design, the code will be better and with less bugs. Even support will be AI automated. A user reports a bug, and five minutes later its fixed, updated and ready for download. The cost of plugins goes down to a AI subscription (for all the plugins on planet earth).
You even get a personalized version of any plugin with features nobody else asks for…
Unfortunately politics can’t keep up with that pace, because nobody needs to work anymore and the gready billionaires won’t help on their own…

[sin night]

You put too much faith on human beings making the design and the specifications right and accurate (and bug reports to be accurate as well).
My working experience tells me the opposite.


And speaking of coding, I have doubts about the quality of what AI makes currently.

My job is to fix bugs for a huge client (not music related), so I write very little code compared to someone developing new features; I have AI tools in my workspace (the company requires us to use them) and I find AI makes a lot of mistakes. The AI code autocomplete suggestions are wrong about 40-50% of the time, I write an object name, I type a dot and AI suggests methods that don’t even exist for that class… sometimes those suggestions are even detrimental to what I’m doing, because they make me waste time…

AI doesn’t solve bugs yet (at least in what I do for a living). It may give some suggestions from time to time, if you ask the right questions… and even if you ask the right questions, the answers are not as high quality as I’d expect (and sometimes are just wrong).

AI is getting better quickly, but there’s still a gap in my opinion…

There are “experienced” devs making code worse than AI, but in my little experience AI is not there with the good/best in their class…

And speaking of specifications, is not uncommon for find mistakes in the documentation (not as frequent as coding mistakes, but there are mistakes), while bug reports - especially by end users - often lack a lot of informations and the first step is actually finding a way to reproduce the bug… good luck automating that with AI!
I’m not saying it will never happen, but I don’t see it happening very soon…

Just my opinion, of course!

[Tj Shredder]

Just wait a year, it grows exponential..

[Neon Breath]

Software sales will very obviously drop. People will prompt their own synths and plug ins soon. Probably all coding jobs in every field of computing will likely be gone in a short but unknown amount of time.

It is difficult to see this as anything other than cataclysmic for coding of computer applications including OS, phone apps, websites, server scripts, any software at all, everything.

lol you've listened far too much to the marketing pitch of these techbro salesmen.

[Tj Shredder]

If AI replaces musicians we are all going to die for sure. Our kids have to deal with it and they are also going to die. The only thing we don’t know is if AI is going to die as well…
Nothing to worry about…

[jancivil]

"For musicians, music is just a vehicle. It gives them something to perform. throughout all of musical history, it has always been about the personality and the performer. [w. The Beatles starting out] The songs really didn’t matter."

This grasp of 'all of music history' is fatuous blather. Apparently you're fine with extrapolating to the broadest conceivable notion from the Beatles in 1964. You aren't the arbiter of what musicians, another as broad as conceivable notion, are or do.
You've actually reduced music's entire raison d'etre to this thing musicians need in order to perform.

For a composer the music is what matters. Now, Franz Liszt for example benefitted from having a great profile and look and manner, a dramatic performer with the ladies swooning.the whole package; and one supposes selling the most tickets of anybody around but unless we were there we didn't experience it, and there is no film of it. So the fact that this composer is remembered today is strictly down to the compositions. For a lot of types of musicians, performance is a big part of it. All musicians are performers? Jesus. So we remember Stravinsky because of his winning personality on stage?

You show your ass in pretty much every thread now. It's beyond an absence of critical thinking, the look is a know-it-all teenager talking a lot of crap.