Native Instruments file for insolvency...

[buffalo roam]

My fantasy is that Kontakt and all its instruments will survive somehow. If not, is there a good file converter out there to turn .nki to .wav in batches? Could I then load Kontakt instruments in other multi samplers and use them the same way as in Kontakt?

My plan B is Omnisphere 3.

[dayjob]

Yes, until we Baby boomers no longer purchase guitars as Guitar Center .

but young people are probably buying more guitars than old people who don’t ever play them. shrug.. no reason or facts to stand behind this other than assumptions and going out to gigs locally and seeing who is doing what.

the new guitar market must be entirely propped up by youtube music production influencers...cause every single one has a guitar hanging up in the background of their ring light framed shot that they never take down or play...its literally a requirement and comes with the starter kit if you call the 1800 number

non sequitur

geesh...it was sarcasm...u kvrians need to breathe and not take urself so seriously ...yeah had seen the vid previously...good fret, drum, and loop work...but ur example is just as anecdotal as any other on the opposite side,...that is if ur actually trying to argue young people are taking up guitar playing more than previous generations?

didn’t mean it as anything but a non sequitur. really.. nothing deeper than “here’s a thing”. fun performance though. i dig the grooves and the whole vibe of being alien for the sake of it and the dollar signs in the eyes of the tall white masked guy is hilarious for reasons.

i took your post as sarcasm/satire. music gear is a thing that people buy and collect and make music rooms full of gear that they mess around with for fun and that’s all it is which is fine. some people buy sports cars.. other people like a room in the house to fill with gear for messing around or jamming etc but nothing more than the joy of doing it.. which is great really.. not everyone wants to record or make songs or do projects.. on some level it’s consumerism for some people but everyone has their own relationship to their hobby.. whatever it is.

anyway.. i have no idea about the guitar market or how leveraged guitar center and fender are or whatever it is we’re talking about now.

i see people in bands playing guitar.. they are young. i live in a town with lot’s of music scenes overlapping. my friend just ran a tour for a support act for a bigger band and drove up and down the west coast USA and out to texas and back. the guy he was doing that for played guitar and that was it. and sang i guess.

there’s as much synth/drum machine/noise/ambient sound bath stuff going on here as anything else but bands with young people playing guitar have not gone away at all. there’s this kinda alt-folk thing going on too.

if i had a point and i often do not.. is that it’s more than the olds buying guitars or youtubers hanging them on walls under pink lights and all that eye roll yawn kinda youtube bullshit.

i guess i’ll wait for the headline in USA Today about millennials ruining the guitar market!

[bermudagold]

My fantasy is that Kontakt and all its instruments will survive somehow. If not, is there a good file converter out there to turn .nki to .wav in batches? Could I then load Kontakt instruments in other multi samplers and use them the same way as in Kontakt?

My plan B is Omnisphere 3.

i'm pretty sure no high end kontakt library will be simple enough to convert with halion or moss because of complexity and scripting

[bermudagold]

Yes, until we Baby boomers no longer purchase guitars as Guitar Center .

but young people are probably buying more guitars than old people who don’t ever play them. shrug.. no reason or facts to stand behind this other than assumptions and going out to gigs locally and seeing who is doing what.

the new guitar market must be entirely propped up by youtube music production influencers...cause every single one has a guitar hanging up in the background of their ring light framed shot that they never take down or play...its literally a requirement and comes with the starter kit if you call the 1800 number

non sequitur

geesh...it was sarcasm...u kvrians need to breathe and not take urself so seriously ...yeah had seen the vid previously...good fret, drum, and loop work...but ur example is just as anecdotal as any other on the opposite side,...that is if ur actually trying to argue young people are taking up guitar playing more than previous generations?

i took your post as sarcasm/satire. music gear is a thing that people buy and collect and make music rooms full of gear that they mess around with for fun and that’s all it is which is fine. some people buy sports cars.. other people like a room in the house to fill with gear for messing around or jamming etc but nothing more than the joy of doing it.. which is great really.. not everyone wants to record or make songs or do projects.. on some level it’s consumerism for some people but everyone has their own relationship to their hobby.. whatever it is.

if i had a point and i often do not.. is that it’s more than the olds buying guitars or youtubers hanging them on walls under pink lights and all that eye roll yawn kinda youtube bullshit.

i guess i’ll wait for the headline in USA Today about millennials ruining the guitar market!

my bad...i thought the post was antagonistic...then i was confused cause i was unsure on what exactly I was being challenged on...so I came in a lil hot...that's the nature of the medium for ya...easy to misconstrue tone and meaning...why friends & family get annoyed with me for not being a big phone texter...but yeah collecting for collecting sakes is as good a hobby as any other...i wouldn't steal anyone's sunshine...i just always noticed that about youtubers which struck me as funny...but I think the data would be genuinely interesting on whether there are less traditional instruments being bought today,...and who is the main demographic buying them

[dayjob]

@bermudagold no worries.. as for instruments.. it’s tough going in the USA. funding for the arts/music was wrecked like 30 years ago and never came back. not like it was. if a kid wants to learn an instrument it’s usually on their own. i guess there’s still marching band in a lot of places. i had friends who learned guitar in middle school as an elective. each kid had access to an acoustic guitar to use/take home etc. cutting all that funding just decimated so many things. i’m sure instruments sales dropped off long ago as a result of that.

would be interesting to know what’s what w/who is purchasing what kind of instruments. a friend of mine is a music teacher. he used to teach in different private schools around town but has been freelance giving lessons for many years now and he stays busy. makes a living. so, someone is buying. more and more it seems a lot of kids don’t have access because they’re not able to take lessons or buy an instrument so it becomes a class issue sometimes. people find a way around obstacles when they really want to do something but having it available in school does make it a lot easier for a kid to figure out if they are any good at something or like doing it etc.

anyway.. maybe when the boomers all kick there will be a glut of sweet guitars on the used market and that’ll be a boon to people looking to kick out the jams.

[buffalo roam]

My fantasy is that Kontakt and all its instruments will survive somehow. If not, is there a good file converter out there to turn .nki to .wav in batches? Could I then load Kontakt instruments in other multi samplers and use them the same way as in Kontakt?

My plan B is Omnisphere 3.

i'm pretty sure no high end kontakt library will be simple enough to convert with halion or moss because of complexity and scripting

Thanks. Yeah, that's what I'm afraid of. Maybe at least some outside producers like Heavyocity will re-work their Kontakt libraries for use in some other sampler.

[bermudagold]

@bermudagold no worries.. as for instruments.. it’s tough going in the USA. funding for the arts/music was wrecked like 30 years ago and never came back. not like it was. if a kid wants to learn an instrument it’s usually on their own. i guess there’s still marching band in a lot of places. i had friends who learned guitar in middle school as an elective. each kid had access to an acoustic guitar to use/take home etc. cutting all that funding just decimated so many things. i’m sure instruments sales dropped off long ago as a result of that.

would be interesting to know what’s what w/who is purchasing what kind of instruments. a friend of mine is a music teacher. he used to teach in different private schools around town but has been freelance giving lessons for many years now and he stays busy. makes a living. so, someone is buying. more and more it seems a lot of kids don’t have access because they’re not able to take lessons or buy an instrument so it becomes a class issue sometimes. people find a way around obstacles when they really want to do something but having it available in school does make it a lot easier for a kid to figure out if they are any good at something or like doing it etc.

anyway.. maybe when the boomers all kick there will be a glut of sweet guitars on the used market and that’ll be a boon to people looking to kick out the jams.

yeah I have a friend who had steady business for violin lessons...he studied violin at prestigious Boston University...but I haven't checked in a while how business is going...in another thread I said in my anecdotal coming and goings I have seen a large steady decrease in young people carrying instruments...have seen many schools have to shut down instrument extra curricular activities due to lack of participation...in my current location, a local band with a 100yr history and prestige is on its last legs literally begging kids to join with free instruments and free instrumental tuition

[bermudagold]

My fantasy is that Kontakt and all its instruments will survive somehow. If not, is there a good file converter out there to turn .nki to .wav in batches? Could I then load Kontakt instruments in other multi samplers and use them the same way as in Kontakt?

My plan B is Omnisphere 3.

i'm pretty sure no high end kontakt library will be simple enough to convert with halion or moss because of complexity and scripting

Thanks. Yeah, that's what I'm afraid of. Maybe at least some outside producers like Heavyocity will re-work their Kontakt libraries for use in some other sampler.

push comes to shove I'd bet all but the smallest of developers would port their libraries to one or more of the formidable alternatives...gorilla, koda, Hise, falcon...they all have scripting APIs...and proof of concept products

[dayjob]

@bermudagold no worries.. as for instruments.. it’s tough going in the USA. funding for the arts/music was wrecked like 30 years ago and never came back. not like it was. if a kid wants to learn an instrument it’s usually on their own. i guess there’s still marching band in a lot of places. i had friends who learned guitar in middle school as an elective. each kid had access to an acoustic guitar to use/take home etc. cutting all that funding just decimated so many things. i’m sure instruments sales dropped off long ago as a result of that.

would be interesting to know what’s what w/who is purchasing what kind of instruments. a friend of mine is a music teacher. he used to teach in different private schools around town but has been freelance giving lessons for many years now and he stays busy. makes a living. so, someone is buying. more and more it seems a lot of kids don’t have access because they’re not able to take lessons or buy an instrument so it becomes a class issue sometimes. people find a way around obstacles when they really want to do something but having it available in school does make it a lot easier for a kid to figure out if they are any good at something or like doing it etc.

anyway.. maybe when the boomers all kick there will be a glut of sweet guitars on the used market and that’ll be a boon to people looking to kick out the jams.

yeah I have a friend who had steady business for violin lessons...he studied violin at prestigious Boston University...but I haven't checked in a while how business is going...in another thread I said in my anecdotal coming and goings I have seen a large steady decrease in young people carrying instruments...have seen many schools have to shut down instrument extra curricular activities due to lack of participation...in my current location, a local band with a 100yr history and prestige is on its last legs literally begging kids to join with free instruments and free instrumental tuition

that’s a bummer. american culture doesn’t value the arts the same way other countries do. art for art’s sake isn’t so ingrained in the culture here like perhaps it once was in previous generations. schools are largely factories to make consumers and they don’t even do a good job of it. don’t want to go down a crazy rabbit hole that is doomer depressing.. there are a lot of interesting things happening and young people are doing some cool shit. a lot of 90s stuff is coming back around with a twist to it. so.. who knows.. uptick in people giving up on cubicle jobs and corporate shit shows.. maybe some are choosing other paths..

[ksandvik]

And defunding public broadcasting here in USA, most of the fun programs in Europe are done by local creative talent sponsoder byt public broadcasters with no worry about the bottom line, they take far more chances, instead of yet another super-hero spinoff series.

[mi-os]

.. is there a good file converter out there to turn .nki to .wav in batches?

This would only work for simple patches, but not for sophisticated scripts. Extracting WAVs should not be a big problem if there is no encription.

[buffalo roam]

My fantasy is that Kontakt and all its instruments will survive somehow. If not, is there a good file converter out there to turn .nki to .wav in batches? Could I then load Kontakt instruments in other multi samplers and use them the same way as in Kontakt?

My plan B is Omnisphere 3.

i'm pretty sure no high end kontakt library will be simple enough to convert with halion or moss because of complexity and scripting

Thanks. Yeah, that's what I'm afraid of. Maybe at least some outside producers like Heavyocity will re-work their Kontakt libraries for use in some other sampler.

push comes to shove I'd bet all but the smallest of developers would port their libraries to one or more of the formidable alternatives...gorilla, koda, Hise, falcon...they all have scripting APIs...and proof of concept products

Thanks. That's encouraging.

[buffalo roam]

.. is there a good file converter out there to turn .nki to .wav in batches?

This would only work for simple patches, but not for sophisticated scripts. Extracting WAVs should not be a big problem if there is no encription.

Oh well....

[jrwaltb]

.. is there a good file converter out there to turn .nki to .wav in batches?

This would only work for simple patches, but not for sophisticated scripts. Extracting WAVs should not be a big problem if there is no encription.

I don't think it works with any patches, they made a serious effort to make .nki non compatible with all other samplers and format converters. (maybe .nki is the old one and the one not compatible is another extension if that is the case my bad.)

Its f**ked up they even removed sfz support. thanks NI your the the new standard and will always be around so what does it matter.. Unreal

[dune_rave]

In FlStudio you can use directwave to sample plugins ...
For example kontakt ...
But its just theory.