If AI replaces musicians, does the entire plugin industry die with them?

[wagtunes]

Well that sucks because there are no good radio stations in the US. Oh well.

That person is wrong. You don't need a licence to listen to BBC Radio. And if you're outside the UK you can listen to multiple BBC Radio stations using this link: https://help.bbc.com/hc/en-us/articles/ ... ide-the-UK

Just scroll down and you'll see a long list. I just tried via a USA VPN and it works.

6 Music is very eclectic and great for finding new underground acts. Radio 1 is the mainstream pop station. 1Xtra is 'urban' music. Radio 2 skews older with a more polite range of music and discussion. Radio 3 is classical. Radio 4 is a mix of news, current affairs, documentaries, plays and comedies.

OMG, I just turned on Radio 1 and heard this amazing dance track that I'd never heard before. They sure don't play it here in NY.

[ghettosynth]

Of course it has ideas. I just asked Co-Pilot for some - literally "give us some ideas" -

Those are some person's ideas, fuckwit.

Go and find the f**king things, then. Because I looked and couldn't find anything even remotely similar, despite multiple searches using different queries.

The willful ignorance on display here is staggering. You're sticking your fingers in your ears and singing "la-la-la" at the top of your voice like a f**king child. Grow the f**k up.

black mirror, named after john dee's scrying device, as a metaphor for the smartphone.

off the top of my head no poogle.

It's highly unlikely that a studio controlled script is in the training data. It would most likely have to be online already, i.e., posted by some fan. Recall that most of the training data was used unlicensed. That's what most of you are all bent out of shape over.

Moreover, the future misinterpreting things from the past, i.e., future archeology, is a longstanding sci-fi trope. In fact, that's your answer. It's such a common trope that it is a plausible continuation. Thus, just because models can give interesting combinations of the training data, doesn't mean that they will. You will get common structures re-expressed though any specifics in the query. If you don't constrain the query, then it will land in the most dense and safe parts of the distribution. That is, you will get common tropes. To move away from common tropes you have to deform the probability language and provide constraints that collide with existing scaffolds.

i was being very specific to remove wiggle room.
if we'd have said "it's a common sci fi trope" you know he'd have said but not the specific ideas!!

as for not coming from a script, the idea behind the name was brought uo in countless interviews and freely available press packages, it was quite a common question for the interviews.

Brooker’s explanation about the title was about that moment when the device goes dark, you see yourself in it. This idea is ancient. Still water, fairy tales about ponds and vanity, Narcissus staring at his reflection. The symbolism long predates screens. A dark phone screen is just the modern material instance of the same archetype. Brooker didn’t invent the metaphor. He localized it. He took an old symbolic structure and mapped it onto contemporary technology. In fact, what he did there, is exactly what AI does in the sense that he abstracted known patterns, consciously or not, and applied them to modern devices. More abstractly, to contextual elements.

There's nothing there to defend any point in this thread that it's "other people's ideas" any more than anyone else who writes a book also uses other people's ideas. It's very clear from the AI response that the idea was abstracted as it came up with a reference to two modern devices seen in different ways.

[vurt]

yes, i agree, im not saying it was brookers idea first, just thst the ai, didn't come up with it. bones stated he couldn't find similar ideas, before his ai prompt, im just giving one example of one of the ideas he presented, which does predate his ai prompt.

[ghettosynth]

yes, i agree, im not saying it was brookers idea first, just thst the ai, didn't come up with it. bones stated he couldn't find similar ideas, before his ai prompt, im just giving one example of one of the ideas he presented, which does predate his ai prompt.

I will let him explain his own position. But my take on what he was suggesting is that unless those exact ideas, expressed in precisely those words, can be located somewhere else, there is nothing solid for the criticism to rest on. That is the only stable ground such a claim can occupy.

AI generates ideas rapidly. They are uneven. Many are forgettable. But a short exchange is often enough to surface something workable, something you can shape into form. Demanding absolute originality sets a standard that is too strict to be meaningful. By that measure, almost no human creative work would survive scrutiny.

[wagtunes]

I do know this. The AI responses I get when asking how to do something with a particular synth or FX are usually dead on the money. Of course these are pretty simple questions. But still, the detail they go into (step by step how to) is pretty cool.

[BBFG#]

Maybe at this point, AI is a gauge.
Water seeks its own level.

[ghettosynth]

Maybe at this point, AI is a gauge.
Water seeks its own level.

It is, in a sense, but perhaps not like you think.

[Zeisner]

AI generates ideas rapidly.

The ability to think is a requirement to have ideas. AI does not think.

[NothanUmber]

Perhaps we will see more live playing of acoustic and electronic instruments again. A concert is a dialog between the musicians and the audience. I can admire capabilities and creations of a machine. But I would still not want to miss the experience of a live performance with human musicians. That is something that that computers cannot take away anytime soon.

[Zeisner]

Perhaps we will see more live playing of acoustic and electronic instruments again.

Live performance has been on a decline for decades now for a couple of reasons. Mobile phones turning people into ADHD zombies didn't help either. Sure, you have your country square dance and similar stuff but all of that will have disappeared when the audience is gone. I guess we have to wait for the collapse of the industrial civilization to see a revival of live performances...

[wagtunes]

Perhaps we will see more live playing of acoustic and electronic instruments again.

Live performance has been on a decline for decades now for a couple of reasons. Mobile phones turning people into ADHD zombies didn't help either. Sure, you have your country square dance and similar stuff but all of that will have disappeared when the audience is gone. I guess we have to wait for the collapse of the industrial civilization to see a revival of live performances...

And when that happens we'll all be dead anyway, so who cares?

[ghettosynth]

AI generates ideas rapidly.

The ability to think is a requirement to have ideas. AI does not think.

You can hide out in that bubble all that you like. It doesn't change reality. An LLM, when prompted to generate ideas, will generate them rapidly, no matter what label that you wish to apply either to the output, or to the process that generated the output.

Give me ten ideas about songs for KVR members who like to hide in bubbles of delusion surrounding their view of the world and the fear of AI. Just the song titles, so make them long, descriptive of the idea, and funny. Give me the list in bullet point format.

“Polishing My Echo Chamber Until It Reflects Only Me and Also Definitely Not a Neural Network in a Wig”

“I Read One Forum Post About AI and Now I Communicate Exclusively Through Paranoid Synth Pads”

“Safe Inside My Vintage Plugin Fortress Where the Robots Respect Analog Warmth and Personal Boundaries”

“If I Don’t Update My DAW, The Future Legally Cannot Find Me”

“Sampling the Sound of My Own Confirmation Bias in Glorious 96kHz Stereo”

“Cloud Backup Is Just Sky Surveillance but With Reverb”

“I Trained My Cat to Detect Artificial Intelligence and Now We Both Distrust the Toaster”

“Manual Automation Only Because Feelings Cannot Be Quantized by Silicon”

“Building a Bubble of Pure Organic Waveforms While the Algorithm Politely Knocks Outside”

“Fear of AI but Only the Kind That Knows Music Theory Better Than I Do”

It took more time for me to type the query than it did to get back the response.

[Zeisner]

You can hide out in that bubble all that you like. It doesn't change reality.

That "bubble" is reality (and science and engineering) while you're playing the same game as creationists. "Look! A tree! See how complex it is? Only a thinking being can come up with something as complex as that! Conclusion: God must exist." I guess the ELIZA effect isn't real for you either, that's just "bubble think"...

Test: Ask your precious LLM for ideas about how to create fully mono compatible (!) equivalence stereophony. You know, ILD+ITD+ISD. That would be a real test. Instead of spamming the thread with meaningless AI slop. It also must be different from the technique I invented (Which I posted here a while ago), otherwise it would have simply copied my approach.

[Zeisner]

And when that happens we'll all be dead anyway, so who cares?

"Après moi, le déluge."

[billinder33]

All of KVR seems totally dead except for this thread.... like a black hole that just sucked everyone into it.