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Would there be any reason to go with the JV-1080 over the XV-5080 here?

I think you get more presets in the XV-5080. But I could be wrong.

[tripleflows]

Are the JV 1080 / XV 5080 also not responding to VST parameter automation like Zenology Pro?

[c_voltage]

Would there be any reason to go with the JV-1080 over the XV-5080 here?

No they have the exact same synth engine, using the exact same samples.

Hmm, tnx for clarify (and for question). Perhaps saved some bucks for me.

Are the JV 1080 / XV 5080 also not responding to VST parameter automation like Zenolog Pro?

Yes i did check (still has installed cloud trial JV 1080) - most parameters not automatable, cc assignable though, (despite has automation even for UI zoom, oh man). That strange, since for example D50 fully automatable. Sad.

[D-Fusion]

It is cheaper if you buy the SRX Plugins you want and hack the Preset Bin file from the XV5080 to work in the SRX Plugin.

That is what i did so i have Dance Trax with the XV 5080 presets in it + presets from my XV 5050 and some JV presets.

It doesn't work the other way since the JV or the XV doesn't have the SRX samples built in.
It is only the SRX Plugins that have all of the JV, XV plugin samples in them so you can add those presets to the SRX plugin.

I think you can find some info about how to do this if you search the web but i won't share my presets or give any info on how to do this since i don't think Roland would like that so it is for my own personal use.

[tripleflows]

Are the JV 1080 / XV 5080 also not responding to VST parameter automation like Zenolog Pro?

Yes i did check (still has installed cloud trial JV 1080) - most parameters not automatable, cc assignable though, (despite has automation even for UI zoom, oh man). That strange, since for example D50 fully automatable. Sad.

I wonder if the Roland dev team is even aware of such huge bugs in their multiple virtual instruments.

Seriously, what kind of quality control do these software instruments go through if such bugs can exist?

Because of such negligence, I will no longer purchase buggy software, because these bugs appeared a long time ago and fundamental errors still occur.

[c_voltage]

I wonder if the Roland dev team is even aware of such huge bugs in their multiple virtual instruments.

Well, i'm not sure actually that such lack of automation it's not done by design. At least i foresee such an reply from Roland support. Even despite lack of direct logic - why automation was added for about 20% of other parameters.

[IvyBirds]

Are the JV 1080 / XV 5080 also not responding to VST parameter automation like Zenolog Pro?

Yes i did check (still has installed cloud trial JV 1080) - most parameters not automatable, cc assignable though, (despite has automation even for UI zoom, oh man). That strange, since for example D50 fully automatable. Sad.

I wonder if the Roland dev team is even aware of such huge bugs in their multiple virtual instruments.

Seriously, what kind of quality control do these software instruments go through if such bugs can exist?

Because of such negligence, I will no longer purchase buggy software, because these bugs appeared a long time ago and fundamental errors still occur.

The issue the virtual instruments are designed to run in Roland hardware and then ported over to plugin formats

Roland uses custom chips they call Roland BMC (Behavioral Modeling Core) in their current hardware synths. The plugins are an emulator of these with the code from the hardware instrument running on top

My guess is that there are limitations as to what can be visible to Host Automation thanks to the original hardware code, and because it's an emulator can't be easily implemented in plugins

[tripleflows]

I understand the assumption.
Modern Korg native instruments that exists both hw and sw, a rompler like Wavestate Native does not have this limiation, however old ones like M1, Triton, Trinity have.

Overall, it is likely additional development work.

[Examigan]

nvm…. c_voltage beat me to it about the sale on the JV and XV

[Examigan]

Would there be any reason to go with the JV-1080 over the XV-5080 here?

Only if you prefer the JV-1080 styled faceplate..?

I think the waveforms are the same in both, but the XV has more presets?

[beely]

Correct.

[c_voltage]

Can someone explain please (i really did not follow topic) - does Zenology Pro already contain JV1080\XV5080 engines and fully replace this separate synths plugs ? Or not exactly.

Frankly i still not exactly get what is Zenology, but by search at official Roland site\shop of expansions, i did not found mention about fact of including the 1080\5080 "models" in Zenology Pro.
upd (nor even info about existing it as separate expansions (or models) at all)
https://www.roland.com/global/support/b ... 30f30cd8d/

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Obviously i misunderstood something.

[beely]

Can someone explain please (i really did not follow topic) - does Zenology Pro already contain JV1080\XV5080 engines and fully replace this separate synths plugs ? Or not exactly.

The correct answer is "Not exactly."

Frankly i still not exactly get what is Zenology, but by search at official Roland site\shop of expansions, i did not found mention about fact of including the 1080\5080 "models" in Zenology Pro.
upd (nor even info about existing it as separate expansions (or models) at all)

Zenology is a PCM/VA synth plugin. Roland rebuilt the XV-5080 patches (which are all PCM) for the Zenology engine, because the Zenology engine itself supports essentially the same (actually a super-set) engine features and sample content as the XV-5080. No expansions or "models" needed, it's built-in. However, Zenology doesn't support the three FX engines of the XV-5080, it only supports two, so as the FX setup is different, the FX settings on those patches are a compromise, hence some/many won't sound identical to the plugin/hardware for that reason.

Some people may not care, but some people do - I think the XV-5080 plugin sounds better/more authentic to the hardware than the same patches used in Zenology (and the XV-5080 plugin is about 99% authentic to the hardware presets, again for FX reasons, but the differences only manifest on a handful of presets, so it doesn't really matter).

[ChamomileShark]

As I understand it, Zenology Pro has the PCM waveforms from the XV5080 and a version of all it's presets. I say version because the FX on Zenology are not quite the same as on the individual legendary plugins.

After I took off the FX, I couldn't tell the difference between a couple of the presets on the JV, XV and Zenology. Maybe because I'm old but then I thought I could detect the difference between hardware JV & XV on Youtube videos.

So in short, unless you are very picky, Zenology Pro does cover the XV and therefore the JV, with the exception of the additional new sound packs that have been created for the JV & XV plugins.

[c_voltage]

@beely
@ChamomileShark

Oh ok, now i see better. Thanks for explanation.

Still wondering as well, if the 1080 and 5080 Really do exactly the same sound (at the same presets, respectively).
Why i ask, there was some observing (at our forum, not kvr) that there is slightly but difference. But this is not surely yet, need more test, probably mistake.