If AI replaces musicians, does the entire plugin industry die with them?

[DCrown]

Yes, what did you actually use, doesn't really sound like Arturia.

[DCrown]

I mean the question is could you make a song let's say using Cherry Audio Mercury 8 or GX80 or SH Max and Dexed or Obxd only (just two synths) without using any one finger preset or arpregiator or pre baked phrases or sequencer presets or pre programmed musical pattern or midi files and drums without using loops or midi files or pre baked drum machine stuff? No parody, something that is based on your pure creativity without imitating any known artist.

[wagtunes]

I just finished this track. Everything is me except the vocals. I could have kept mine, but my Barry Gibb impersonation isn't as good as I'd like it to be. The AI does a much better job.

https://soundcloud.com/steven-wagenheim ... a-have-you

The vocals put it too much into parody territory for me.
It's between pastiche and parody, but if you add an intentionally funny video you could get some traction as a comedic tune.
To be honest, the lyrics are part of the parody element, so are they AI also?

No, the lyrics I wrote. The song was not meant to be taken seriously but to be an obvious rip off of the Bee Gees.
I make no apologies for it. LOL

What did you use for what sounds like staccato guitar chords?
Those really let the arrangement down for me on many levels.
The tone and rhythmic feel are very off to me.

You have given me the idea now to create parodies of artists and songs.

Hey, you know what? You don't like it, you don't like. It's all cool. I do what I like and if somebody else likes it too, great. If not, that's okay too.

I've been writing songs too many years to care what other people think at this point.

[wagtunes]

Of course AI will be accepted by majority of future generations. If your roots are ai, then what else do you know, how stupid it would look in 40 years to waste time on learning to play an instrument.

I like your horn sections and arrangement, just wanted to know how you made them. Whenever you use horns your tracks are better. Try to generally make your vocals not that loud, they are a bit too upfront imo.
You make music to create something funny, don't you, I would be surprised if you thought you could win a creativity award or even earn lots of money.
If you want to earn money your.music would have to get much worser.
You are a parody producer, comedian, it is good to be funny

I don't consider myself any one type of writer. I've written everything from bubble gum to country to prog rock to show tunes to classical. I have had so many influences in the over 60 years I've been listening to music that there is literally nothing I couldn't write. I write what I feel like writing at the time. I've been writing that way since the beginning.

[wagtunes]

I mean the question is could you make a song let's say using Cherry Audio Mercury 8 or GX80 or SH Max and Dexed or Obxd only (just two synths) without using any one finger preset or arpregiator or pre baked phrases or sequencer presets or pre programmed musical pattern or midi files and drums without using loops or midi files or pre baked drum machine stuff? No parody, something that is based on your pure creativity without imitating any known artist.

Yes I can and I have.

This was done 9 years ago for the one synth challenge here for Dune 2. ONE SYNTH

https://soundcloud.com/steven-wagenheim ... ght-osc-98

[DCrown]

There is always some kind of comedy element, you obviously found your genre, maybe also cuz you like the lead element to be very loud whether it's voice or lead synth. Could work in an old Louis de Funes movie.
That's an instrumental though, no voice.
I mean a song with two synths and drums without pre baked stuff.

So the answer to whether ai will replace music and plugins is obvious, ai already rules today.

[agharta]

I just finished this track. Everything is me except the vocals. I could have kept mine, but my Barry Gibb impersonation isn't as good as I'd like it to be. The AI does a much better job.

https://soundcloud.com/steven-wagenheim ... a-have-you

The vocals put it too much into parody territory for me.
It's between pastiche and parody, but if you add an intentionally funny video you could get some traction as a comedic tune.
To be honest, the lyrics are part of the parody element, so are they AI also?

No, the lyrics I wrote. The song was not meant to be taken seriously but to be an obvious rip off of the Bee Gees.
I make no apologies for it. LOL

What did you use for what sounds like staccato guitar chords?
Those really let the arrangement down for me on many levels.
The tone and rhythmic feel are very off to me.

You have given me the idea now to create parodies of artists and songs.

Hey, you know what? You don't like it, you don't like. It's all cool. I do what I like and if somebody else likes it too, great. If not, that's okay too.

I've been writing songs too many years to care what other people think at this point.

I'm glad to hear that.
In practice, it's much more of a pastiche than a parody.
Once the idea of parody entered my mind though, I ran with that as it amused me.
There's a long tradition of musical parody in the UK, so I am primed to filter things through that.

I didn't mean to be rude and am curious what the staccato sound is that I found jarring?
The brain tends to focus on the novel and that stood out for me along with the vocals.

[wagtunes]

There is always some kind of comedy element, you obviously found your genre, maybe also cuz you like the lead element to be very loud whether it's voice or lead synth. Could work in an old Louis de Funes movie.
That's an instrumental though, no voice.
I mean a song with two synths and drums without pre baked stuff.

So the answer to whether ai will replace music and plugins is obvious, ai already rules today.

Here you go. Me and a piano. Probably one of my best songs. And yes, that's me singing.

https://soundcloud.com/steven-wagenheim ... of-the-day

[DCrown]

You mentioned you have 100 plugin instruments, are you kidding?

[vurt]

There is always some kind of comedy element, you obviously found your genre, maybe also cuz you like the lead element to be very loud whether it's voice or lead synth. Could work in an old Louis de Funes movie.
That's an instrumental though, no voice.
I mean a song with two synths and drums without pre baked stuff.

So the answer to whether ai will replace music and plugins is obvious, ai already rules today.

Here you go. Me and a piano. Probably one of my best songs. And yes, that's me singing.

https://soundcloud.com/steven-wagenheim ... of-the-day

[DCrown]

There is always some kind of comedy element, you obviously found your genre, maybe also cuz you like the lead element to be very loud whether it's voice or lead synth. Could work in an old Louis de Funes movie.
That's an instrumental though, no voice.
I mean a song with two synths and drums without pre baked stuff.

So the answer to whether ai will replace music and plugins is obvious, ai already rules today.

Here you go. Me and a piano. Probably one of my best songs. And yes, that's me singing.

https://soundcloud.com/steven-wagenheim ... of-the-day

The voice is better than on every other track I heard from you, it almost sounds like a real, not modified voice.
What microphone do you use now?

[wagtunes]

There is always some kind of comedy element, you obviously found your genre, maybe also cuz you like the lead element to be very loud whether it's voice or lead synth. Could work in an old Louis de Funes movie.
That's an instrumental though, no voice.
I mean a song with two synths and drums without pre baked stuff.

So the answer to whether ai will replace music and plugins is obvious, ai already rules today.

Here you go. Me and a piano. Probably one of my best songs. And yes, that's me singing.

https://soundcloud.com/steven-wagenheim ... of-the-day

The voice is better than on every other track I heard from you, it almost sounds like a real, not modified voice.
What microphone do you use now?

The same mic that I used then. A Rode NT2-A

[wagtunes]

You mentioned you have 100 plugin instruments, are you kidding?

No, not 100. Hundreds. Would you like me to list them all?

[wagtunes]

I just finished this track. Everything is me except the vocals. I could have kept mine, but my Barry Gibb impersonation isn't as good as I'd like it to be. The AI does a much better job.

https://soundcloud.com/steven-wagenheim ... a-have-you

The vocals put it too much into parody territory for me.
It's between pastiche and parody, but if you add an intentionally funny video you could get some traction as a comedic tune.
To be honest, the lyrics are part of the parody element, so are they AI also?

No, the lyrics I wrote. The song was not meant to be taken seriously but to be an obvious rip off of the Bee Gees.
I make no apologies for it. LOL

What did you use for what sounds like staccato guitar chords?
Those really let the arrangement down for me on many levels.
The tone and rhythmic feel are very off to me.

You have given me the idea now to create parodies of artists and songs.

Hey, you know what? You don't like it, you don't like. It's all cool. I do what I like and if somebody else likes it too, great. If not, that's okay too.

I've been writing songs too many years to care what other people think at this point.

I'm glad to hear that.
In practice, it's much more of a pastiche than a parody.
Once the idea of parody entered my mind though, I ran with that as it amused me.
There's a long tradition of musical parody in the UK, so I am primed to filter things through that.

I didn't mean to be rude and am curious what the staccato sound is that I found jarring?
The brain tends to focus on the novel and that stood out for me along with the vocals.

The staccato guitar sound is a loop. I like it. That's all that matters to me,

Let me make something clear to everybody here.

I've been writing music long enough (over 50 years) that I feel I've earned the right to use a loop, arp, baked samples and even some AI if I choose to.

If anybody has a problem with that, it's THEIR problem. Not MINE.

[agharta]

The staccato guitar sound is a loop. I like it. That's all that matters to me,

Let me make something clear to everybody here.
I've been writing music long enough (over 50 years) that I feel I've earned the right to use a loop, arp, baked samples and even some AI if I choose to.
If anybody has a problem with that, it's THEIR problem. Not MINE.

 
Thanks.
It can be interesting to analyse something, but best not to take the process too seriously.
My take is that there are only two types of music:
Music I am happy to listen to right NOW and music that I DON'T want to listen to right NOW.
That changes depending on the time of day, location, company, mood etc.
Good and bad have no place as descriptions.
My likes and dislikes are just personal preferences in the moment.