If AI replaces musicians, does the entire plugin industry die with them?

[Zeisner]

The most fascinating thing is that most people can't hear the artifacts in the composition itself, at best they can hear it in the instruments. But the error rate is constant across all aspects, from composition to the mix, a typical problem in machine learning if faulty training has been used. That's why you need a lot of high-quality data and experts to finetune the particular model, sometimes you even have to write one from scratch. None of the generative AI companies did that or can afford to do that in the future. And because of that there will never be an AI that can come up with a catchy melody. Or realistic electric guitars.

[Tubeman]

So now the criteria to prove that AI can write a competent catchy song is that it has to be #1 on an international chart

Not a criteria, I was just pointing out country music is really not a thing anywhere else than certain parts of the USA. Or is this AI talk only about the USA?

[bermudagold]

And this 100% AI song reached #1 on the Billboard Country charts:

It's not an international chart though? Only in the USA and even there I guess it's only certain parts of the USA. The USA population is like ~4% of the world population.

The USA is the largest market for music transactions in the world. There are only 3 EU countries in the top 10...so if we are talking monetizing of music and maximizing revenue, ...the EU doesn't matter as much as you think...asia matters more...on top of that the largest and most successful PROs (Performers Rights Organizations) are based in the US...these are the orgs that chase down, measure, determine, and collect royalties for publishing owners to get people paid...for example Adele is a UK artist, but she is signed with a USA PRO...Sesac

[jamcat]

The most fascinating thing is that most people can't hear the artifacts in the composition itself, at best they can hear it in the instruments.

I can hear the artifacts, especially in the Breaking Rust vocal.
But that's not what we were discussing.

You asked for an example of a catchy melody written by AI. I provided two, in two different genres. Both have catchy vocal melodies you can hum. In the thrash metal example, the guy re-recorded the song that AI wrote. Everything about it passed your test, but you keep moving the goalposts trying to score a "win".

[wagtunes]

This may sound like a stupid question, but if the typical listener can't hear the AI artifacts, then who gives a f^*k that they're there? I sure as hell don't.

[Tubeman]

But it's probably around 25% of the global music market. If you can't break the US market, you're never going to reach the really big time. That's just a fact.

I don't think that's true. Do you have a source for that "fact"?

[Zeisner]

I was looking forward to the possibility of AI becoming a tool to work with. If it worked it could have been useful for research or to generate samples of instruments I don't have access to. But this is a joke, it's unacceptable. I'm baffled how anyone could think that any of this sounds good enough for anything aside from playing musical noise in the background of a café and even that is debatable.

But on the other hand - there were plenty of people back then who said that lowpoly models in a N64 game looked totally real...

[wagtunes]

But it's probably around 25% of the global music market. If you can't break the US market, you're never going to reach the really big time. That's just a fact.

I don't think that's true. Do you have a source for that "fact"?

Here you go.

https://www.billboard.com/pro/riaa-2025 ... streaming/

I have tons more I can ram down your throat.

[bermudagold]

So now the criteria to prove that AI can write a competent catchy song is that it has to be #1 on an international chart

Not a criteria, I was just pointing out country music is really not a thing anywhere else than certain parts of the USA. Or is this AI talk only about the USA?

country is fastest growing import genre worldwide...with canada, australia, Uk, germany rounding out the top 5 consumers after USA

[Zeisner]

I can hear the artifacts, especially in the Breaking Rust vocal.

Either you can't hear anything (from composition to mix) or you're trolling. Those are the only two possibilities. Pick your poison.

[Tubeman]

And this 100% AI song reached #1 on the Billboard Country charts:

It's not an international chart though? Only in the USA and even there I guess it's only certain parts of the USA. The USA population is like ~4% of the world population.

The USA is the largest market for music transactions in the world. There are only 3 EU countries in the top 10...so if we are talking monetizing of music and maximizing revenue, ...the EU doesn't matter as much as you think...asia matters more...on top of that the largest and most successful PROs (Performers Rights Organizations) are based in the US...these are the orgs that chase down, measure, determine, and collect royalties for publishing owners to get people paid...for example Adele is a UK artist, but she is signed with a USA PRO...Sesac

Why are you talking about the EU though? The EU is not the whole of Europe nor along with the USA, the whole world.

[Zeisner]

You asked for an example of a catchy melody written by AI. I provided two, in two different genres.

If you are serious then I feel sorry for you. A combination of hearing damage and amusia doesn't sound enjoyable to me.

[Tubeman]

But it's probably around 25% of the global music market. If you can't break the US market, you're never going to reach the really big time. That's just a fact.

I don't think that's true. Do you have a source for that "fact"?

Here you go.

https://www.billboard.com/pro/riaa-2025 ... streaming/

I have tons more I can ram down your throat.

I didn't reply to you but to "BONES". It's interesting you answered though, and you both also have your "gear" listed in your signatures. And you're not gonna "ram" anything "down my throat". I suppose you could try, but I will not be responsible for the consequences to you.

[jamcat]

It's not actually clear if the compression artifacts are from lossy training data, or from compression Suno and or Youtube are using. But there is no such thing as "composition artifacts."

[jamcat]

You asked for an example of a catchy melody written by AI. I provided two, in two different genres.

If you are serious then I feel sorry for you. A combination of hearing damage and amusia doesn't sound enjoyable to me.

Resorting to personal attacks is the most obvious sign a person knows they've lost the argument.