If AI replaces musicians, does the entire plugin industry die with them?

[BONES]

I don't know what "really big time" means but there are massive stars with billions of streams in India and China who are virtually unknown in the US.

There's your answer. The really big time is becoming a global success, not being really big in your home market. If you want to be a global success, you have to break into the US market. That's just the way it goes. Look at the list of all-time best selling albums, every one of them has been huge in the US, there are no artists from China or India or Sth America in any of those lists. You won't even find Kylie Minogue there, because she never really made it big in the US, despite trying for many years.

Interestingly, if you look at the Wikipedia link I provided, Japan's music market is bigger than India or China, despite having around one-tenth of the population of either. In fact, Japan has overtaken the US on occasion.

This is nothing new. This has been going on since the early days of popular music...
... So how is AI any worse than any of these other things? It's not. It's not the thing that's the problem. It never was. It's what you do with it...
... The point is, it's not the tool. It's the person using it. And any tool, I don't care what it is, can be used for good OR bad. It's up to the person to decide which it will be.

I've made this bold because everyone needs to read it and understand the truth of it.

I mean that song is based on traditional blues progression. You might think what sense does it make to create another Blues song, so many blues songs already existed before that song.
It is about human creativity, passion, talent and soul and with a bit of weirdness the way Lennon sings and how cool the drums by Ringo and Paul's bass at 1:17 haha. Unique, original!

That is easily one of my least favourite Beatles songs, for mostly the reasons you've stated. It is way too bluesy, way too derivative. It's not about creativity, it's about taste. It doesn't matter how good a Blues song it is, it's still a Blues song and I don't like it at all.

KISS by Prince. Prince added some funky vibe to a blues and dared sing a blues with his falsetto voice - a blues with such a high voice???!

I've never heard a Prince song that I've liked, either, even a little bit. It's all just mass-market pap to my ears. Eminently forgettable. It's about taste.

It's not intelligence.

Unless IQ test aren't a measure of intelligence, then you simply have to accept that AI is intelligent, because several of them have scored way better than you would on standardised tests.

what we have today is def. not going to pass the Turing test.

The Turing Test is simply a measure of how closely a machine can mimic human intelligence, which ain't a measure of anything worthwhile, nor is it germane to this discussion. I don't understand why you are so focused on the wrong thing.

[BONES]

AI has no way to discern the quality of anything. It has no taste, no opinions, it has no way to experience anything at all.

So what? It has trained on enough material that it can create a convincing simulacrum of whatever it is you want to express and that's all that matters, that's what gives it value as a song writing tool. It doesn't have to understand it just has to be able to interpret your goals and work towards achieving them. Again I'll use the DAW as an example - it has all the same features you've described, yet we all make music with it, don't we? A piano doesn't have taste or opinions but we can still make music with one, can't we?

AI doesn't know what tone color is; it can be trained and directed to a result where the person operating it has something in mind, but it has nothing on its mind.

That's what makes it so good to work with - it is focused on what you want to achieve, although it does like to go off on its own diversions, but at least it doesn't get the hump when you tell it that's no good and make it try again.

There is no mind there.

There is not a single post in any of these threads that suggests otherwise, so why do you keep banging on about it? WTF is wrong with you?

[DCrown]

"I've never heard a Prince song that I've liked, either, even a little bit. It's all just mass-market pap to my ears. Eminently forgettable. It's about taste."

To say Prince made just mass market pap tells me you don't not know a lot about him, you just know his Top 20 songs (who cares about Top 20 songs, when his gems could be found on B-sides of Singles). I managed Prince's super hit song Kiss, do you really think it is my fav Prince song, it was cool and new and "overplayed" on radio and clubs. He made a lot of releases far from pop, like experimental, jazz, hard blues rock,latin and without his name on an album (pseodonym).
He is considered one of the best artists of all time, some call him Mozart of 20th century or genius like Miles Davis, Stevie Wonder, Lenny Kravitz, D'Angelo, Eddie Kramer many more, some even consider him one the best guitarists ever and some of the best musicians of music history joined him and went to cold Minneapolis like Larry Graham (Sly Sone), Maceo Parker (James Brown), Sonny Thompson (local idol in Mnpls), Sheila Escovedo (Stevie Wondee/mj), George Clinton (Parliament Funkadelic), MonoNeon (bassist), John Blackwell (drummer Cameo), Chaka Khan etc.
The movie Purple Rain turned Eric Clapton's life from a hard addicted drug junkie into a musician with new energy and creativity etc etc etc
I think he might have saved my life, too, cuz when I heard Prince the first time, I was into guitar playing and learning a lot and my main inspiration was Hendrix and that was the worst inspiration one could have - song lyrics full of depression, a sex drugs rock n roll image, a guitarist who thought to play guitar loud is important, his performances were sloppy, his vibe destructive and I could see how he inspired other young guitarists to consume drugs - Prince was just the opposite and it attracted me and his guitar playing was full.of passion, positive energy, love and soul. I think I could sing and perform on bass, guitar and piano immediately about 120 Prince songs not because I would play a Prince song every week, I still rremember them from the past.
The list of Prince admirers or people who had been inspired by Prince to make music is endless.
Let's not forget that two of the most successful producers Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis (Janet Jackson, Human League etc) of all time -forner members of the Prince band The Time - repeat to mention "we learned everything from Prince, there is Prince in every song we ever produced".
He turned Minneapolis into a hotspot for music productions and new artists, his Paisley Park studio was without any doubt one of the best studios in the world.
He managed to do one of the most difficult things, to make pop music combining all kinds of genres on a high level and inspire people to make music and Prince inspired people know that the key to best musicianship is hard work, that's something beyond AI.
And he was a multi-instrumentalist and even though he is dead, every month still a new song is released from his vaults with about 8.000 recordings stored ( about 2.000 - 3.000 songs!).
Prince created and played one of the best guitar solos ever, to me no solo comes even close to Purple Rain guitar solo - magic, soul, passion, beauty.
My fav artists are Zappa, Prince, Miles Davis, Bach, Chopin, Sly Stone, Paco de Lucia - completely different music just like every Prince album is completely different.
You don't like him?
Not everyone likes chocolate, but quite a lot of people do.

I mean if a Miles Davis bowed to Prince, Miles Davis who attracted the best musicians in the world for many decades and created new genres, released many MlLEStone albums, what do you think the opinion of a Bones on Prince matter?!
Yes, music is about taste and especially in 1980s quite a lot of people had the same taste to like Prince's music a lot and his music could even be life changing and it is completely ok not to like Prince, you like different musicians then.

Just one example of a different Prince, with an awesome guitar solo that was recorded with some Neumann mic undee water, you probably won't like it, too, solos are not hip today l, too.



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songs not played on radio, I could add hundreds more, especially some live performances.
Every song c-o-m-p-l-e-t-e-l-y different.

[Grizzellda]

Well, if Australia produces BEEF, then Grizzellda wants a burger! Make it a triple!

I really do feel that in about a decade from now we will have much more perspective on all this stuff.

It is a new, modern development, folks are interested in it, but consider every other thing in history!

People were talking about electricity, the light bulb, the airplane, now AI. Not so different, in my view.

[DCrown]

We breathe, drink and eat and pee every day, all that keeps us alive.
If there was no music at all and we could still breathe, drink and eat, we still would be alive.
So music generally is not that important!
The best thing about ai is that if it will really replace humans one day and ai will be next level of evolution, AI won't have to breathe, drink and eat and ai will not have to pee, no need for stinking toilets and won't get sick.

[Sourcery4545]

YEAH!
Trying to control a tool that is much smarter then you is not madness, sure!

Yeah, letś destroy everything, maybe by big chance something better comes out.
Yeah, this is worth a try - you convinced me with your smart minds. WHOA!

Don't argue with fools, they'll drag you down to their level and beat you with their experience.

[Sourcery4545]

I canot see my last post, so to summarize it:

Don't argue with fools, they'll drag you down to their level and beat you with their experience.

[Sourcery4545]

this forum is attacked by paied trolls, which is not suprising to me.
Good luck with your destiny

[Grizzellda]

this forum is attacked by paied trolls, which is not suprising to me.
Good luck with your destiny.

Well, first of all, "paied" is actually spelled "paid".

Next, I notice you are a new member on KVR, we will see how you do. Also, not sure about trolls, but remain open to the concept, there might be some here, on KVR.

Biggie, biggie, can't ya see, some times your words just hypnotize me...

I just luv your flashy ways, guess that is why they're broke, and you are so paid!!!

[wagtunes]

The only fools are the ones who think that AI is going to bring the downfall of music and the end of musicians.

Except they're worse than fools. They're idiots.

The end of civilization is so close, blind man and when a fool, can I replace fool with dreamer?
When a dreamer calls other people dreamers, it might be time for him to wake up.
Why do you have to use such ugly language "fools", that's an insult, you might insult someone with emotions and feelings, not your every post might be addressed to AI (ai fake account or someone controlled by AI) , there are still 3 or 4 humans here in this thread, just a guess.

I can't find the post but you mentioned a mic that you said I should get for my vocals. Why and why is it better than the Rode NT2-A that I have now?

[BertKoor]

Found that two pages back:

Prince sang it using a Sennheiser MD441, a microphone I recommend for your voice.

[wagtunes]

Found that two pages back:

Prince sang it using a Sennheiser MD441, a microphone I recommend for your voice.

Thanks Bert. Now I'd like to know why he recommends that mic. Unfortunately, only he can answer that.

[wagtunes]

Found that two pages back:

Prince sang it using a Sennheiser MD441, a microphone I recommend for your voice.

Okay, I just looked up the mic. $1,249. LMAO. He is on drugs if he thinks I'm spending that much on a mic.

[BertKoor]

One of my side jobs for some time was FrontOfHouse mixing, being "the sound guy" at the mixer. Sent to a venue with a PA, a 24ch console, a 19" rack with fx 'n stuff, monitor speakers, half a dozen SM58's, some special drum kit mikes, and loads of XLR cables.

At one gig there was a very seasoned sax player, he also played flute. He brought his own mics, "if I did not mind", one for the sax and another for the flute.
Never was it so effortless for me to get a player to sound good. I did not know (or forgot) but when I saw that Sennheiser MD441: instant recognition. That was his flute mike! For him it was totally worth it.

[wagtunes]

One of my side jobs for some time was FrontOfHouse mixing, being "the sound guy" at the console. Sent to a venue with a PA, a 24ch console, half a dozen SM58's, some special drum kit mikes, and loads of XLR cables.

At one gig there was a very seasoned sax player, he also played flute. He brought his own mics, "if I did not mind", one for the sax and another for the flute.
Never was it so effortless for me to get a player to sound good. I did not know (or forgot) but when I saw that Sennheiser MD441: instant recognition. That was his flute mike! For him it was totally worth it.

I get it but I don't have that kind of money for a mic.