Some thoughts about AI acceptance

[harvon]

Could it be that the effort a person has put to learn an instrument and other music related skills has negative correlation to his acceptance of AI? The inexperienced and relatively unskilled musician would see advantage in adopting and using AI, as a tool to enhance both artistic and technical quality of his/her productions. The experienced and skilled musician would accept AI tools to enhance the technical quality but not the artistic, and there may be strong emotionality connected to this.

[bermudagold]

from the "Does AI make the plugin industry obsolete" thread....

"I think the point that is glossed over is that most of the differing viewpoints are implicitly and/or subconsciously driven by dreams of fame and money from music whether they admit it or or not...where you perceive yourself in the timeline and food chain of achieving that dream shapes your worldview...the casuals who entered during the pandemic know they are behind the curve, so they are all for the AI tools as they believe it will allow them to catch up or cut the line...

the people who have been at it since the early days of computer music technology feel like they have been putting in the work slowly cutting the hill; and right when technology is coalescing to the point where all the tools they always dreamed of are finally coming to fruition putting peak power in the hands of the independent musician,...AI comes in and makes it and all their gains null and void by leapfrogging them and raising an already untenable noise floor to astronomical heights...further putting the possibility of fame and fortune out of reach...so they hate everything AI

so how you view AI is directly related to how close you believe you were to "making it"...

[vurt]

from the "Does AI make the plugin industry obsolete" thread....

"I think the point that is glossed over is that most of the differing viewpoints are implicitly and/or subconsciously driven by dreams of fame and money from music whether they admit it or or not...where you perceive yourself in the timeline and food chain of achieving that dream shapes your worldview...the casuals who entered during the pandemic know they are behind the curve, so they are all for the AI tools as they believe it will allow them to catch up or cut the line...

the people who have been at it since the early days of computer music technology feel like they have been putting in the work slowly cutting the hill; and right when technology is coalescing to the point where all the tools they always dreamed of are finally coming to fruition putting peak power in the hands of the independent musician,...AI comes in and makes it and all their gains null and void by leapfrogging them and raising an already untenable noise floor to astronomical heights...further putting the possibility of fame and fortune out of reach...so they hate everything AI

so how you view AI is directly related to how close you believe you were to "making it"...

except, bones and wagtunes, have both been at it since before i was born*, and are proponents of the ai.

* - vurt, not the entity behind the curtain.

[martinjuenke]

This is the first intelligent thread about AI, I've encountered.

[enroe]

@bermudagold:

Mmmh... interesting opinion - especially about the psyche of many
musicians here.

... most of the differing viewpoints are implicitly and/or subconsciously driven by dreams of fame and money from music whether they admit it or or not

This is an aspect that certainly applies to many. Nevertheless, such an
attitude — that is, the implicit, unconscious, or conscious striving for fame
and money — is an expression of infantilism and naivety. It is a sign of
"not growing up" and of an unintegrated, still childlike person.

I simply cannot believe that the proportion of these people in this forum -
and in the scene in general - is predominant.

From my perspective, the crux of the matter lies elsewhere entirely, namely
where AI becomes "creative" and thus enters the realm of primal human
creation. Whether in painting, visual arts, or music: as soon as AI occupies
this territory, it destroys human activity — and thus us humans altogether.

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As long as AI is merely a tool – optimizing sound generation, mixing, or
mastering – it's a tool like many others. This may be desirable for the
artist or musician.

However, as soon as the AI ​​becomes creative itself, as soon as it
composes and produces entire songs on its own, a red line is crossed.

Because creating a work of art or a song is connected with a lot of history,
sweat, feeling and the desire for expression of a single person - and thus
the foundation of our art in general.

If we let AI into this field, it will quickly flood it with a surplus of artworks and
musical pieces – and dominate the commercial mass market for art and
music. Regardless of what individual psychological intentions people may
have regarding fame, recognition, and wealth, regardless of the skills and
passion human musicians may possess: AI is millions of times faster,
cheaper – and it can also compete in terms of quality.

[enroe]

This is the first intelligent thread about AI, I've encountered.

Yeah, but maybe you missed this thread.

[ghettosynth]

This is the first intelligent thread about AI, I've encountered.

What do you think is intelligent about it?

[ghettosynth]

If we let AI into this field, it will quickly flood it with a surplus of artworks and
musical pieces – and dominate the commercial mass market for art and
music. Regardless of what individual psychological intentions people may
have regarding fame, recognition, and wealth, regardless of the skills and
passion human musicians may possess: AI is millions of times faster,
cheaper – and it can also compete in terms of quality.

It's not really a concern though. KVR can become a horsegirl community. It's almost the same thing. You spend a lot of money, you tell everyone about how creative you are in your moves, and then, sometimes, you ride horses. Ok, well, yea, that part is different.

For those on more of a budget, there's still an option.

[martinjuenke]

This is the first intelligent thread about AI, I've encountered.

What do you think is intelligent about it?

Okay, forget it. This goes down the same alley as all AI and Music threads.
This is fake horse riding area, right.
Not worth the time spent reading.
Applies to other music forums as well.
A pity.

[pljones]

I work in software development. I've worked in software development since the late 1980s. I happily adopt AI because so much of software development is not about working out what the problem is, it's getting stuff written out. What I still get wrong is expecting AI to do my deductive thinking for me. It can help, tell me things I might have missed, etc. And act as that second pair of eyes. But it can also misdirect, be wrong, come up with nonsense. This is given all the information it needs and tightly bound direction. And no creative freedom.

I've not used AI is music - I know I have no creativity in that direction after fruitless years of trying. What I'm getting better at, though, is hitting "Skip" and "Don't like" on YouTube...

On topic: no, I think people with experience will find AI can support their workflow if they use it for the ends it can help with. I've not yet seen much discussion here about production engineering adoption of AI (ignoring the generative AI doing its own work).

[jamcat]

AI is here and it’s not going away, whether you accept it or not. So it really doesn’t matter what anyone thinks about it.

[jamcat]

from the "Does AI make the plugin industry obsolete" thread....

"I think the point that is glossed over is that most of the differing viewpoints are implicitly and/or subconsciously driven by dreams of fame and money from music whether they admit it or or not...where you perceive yourself in the timeline and food chain of achieving that dream shapes your worldview...the casuals who entered during the pandemic know they are behind the curve, so they are all for the AI tools as they believe it will allow them to catch up or cut the line...

the people who have been at it since the early days of computer music technology feel like they have been putting in the work slowly cutting the hill; and right when technology is coalescing to the point where all the tools they always dreamed of are finally coming to fruition putting peak power in the hands of the independent musician,...AI comes in and makes it and all their gains null and void by leapfrogging them and raising an already untenable noise floor to astronomical heights...further putting the possibility of fame and fortune out of reach...so they hate everything AI

so how you view AI is directly related to how close you believe you were to "making it"...

I think that is utter nonsense.

Insecure people whose self-worth is derived from the approval of others will feel more threatened by AI than people who make music for their own enjoyment and have confidence in what they’re doing. When you make music for yourself and don’t view it as a competition, it doesn’t matter what anyone else is doing. That is the real dividing line.

[enroe]

AI is here and it’s not going away, whether you accept it or not. So it really doesn’t matter what anyone thinks about it.

Yes - but not quite.

If pitfalls and dangers are identified in advance, society and the state can react
and regulate accordingly. In the case of AI for music composition, that's unlikely
to happen. Consequently, as you say, AI will overwhelm everyone and completely
conquer the commercial mass market. And that applies regardless of what anyone
says here or what they delude themselves about.

[jamcat]

I didn’t say that AI will overwhelm everyone and conquer the market, nor do I think it will.

I think AI will just become part of the process, aiding in every aspect of music creation. But music is ultimately a communal experience at its core, and always has been. And it will continue to be. Audiences will still want to see live performers, and the ones with the biggest personalities and most charisma will be who dominates the commercial mass market, just as they always have.

People will continue to want to listen to and buy the music of their favourite artists, not faceless music that isn’t attached to a real star.

[pdxindy]

If we let AI into this field, it will quickly flood it with a surplus of artworks and
musical pieces – and dominate the commercial mass market for art and
music. Regardless of what individual psychological intentions people may
have regarding fame, recognition, and wealth, regardless of the skills and
passion human musicians may possess: AI is millions of times faster,
cheaper – and it can also compete in terms of quality.

AI is already in the field.

In terms of music and music tech, DAW's like Suno and Ace Studio are going to wipe out the old guard DAW's. The plugin market is going to shrink a lot too.

When you can hum a melody and type in some lyrics and output a whole composition in minutes that is good enough for many commercial and personal uses, that's going to take over.