If AI replaces musicians, does the entire plugin industry die with them?

[wagtunes]

Maybe for another track.
The Kramer plugins have lots of character, i like it, but it is not the best choice every time, of course

Waves Reel ADT is for vocals, as far as I remember the Beatles also used that technique

I used Kramer Tape really cranked up on this track I did 8 years ago. The vocals are computer generated because I was experimenting with Vocaloid at the time. I have since ditched them because I could never understand the lyrics. Anyway, this track is really overcooked. But you might like it.

https://soundcloud.com/steven-wagenheim ... -on-backup

[DCrown]

I don't know why but I like the sound, there is some dirt here, too, that I prefer. I can imagine how AI would mix it and it would take away all the magic.
The Kramer plugins are great.
I was playing Zebra 3 today, what an amazing synth. Have u downloaded beta version?

[wagtunes]

I don't know why but I like the sound, there is some dirt here, too, that I prefer. I can imagine how AI would mix it and it would take away all the magic.
The Kramer plugins are great.
I was playing Zebra 3 today, what an amazing synth. Have u downloaded beta version?

Downloaded it and already making a patch library for it.

[pdxindy]

hahahahaha lol

What did the guy get arrested for? In what way is what he did illegal?

I don't get it, either.
I mean Spotify creates fake ai artists and don't get sued?
To use AI is legit, I thought.
I think the point is he found a way to get a lot of plays/streams by using ai as fake listeners, but again that's what Spotify also does.

He's guilty of being a poor person who found a way to take money from the rich.

[enroe]

I could. I mean I could just do old Beatles like recordings for the rest of my life. But then I'd have tons of plugins that I spent 10s of thousands of dollars on that I'd never use again.

I don't understand. Why do you need so many plugins? What for?

From what I'm hearing, all you need is a guitar, a harmonica, and a microphone.
And then you're good to go ...

[Bunny_boy]

all you need is a guitar, a harmonica, and a microphone.
And then you're good to go ...

[ghettosynth]

hahahahaha lol

What did the guy get arrested for? In what way is what he did illegal?

I don't get it, either.
I mean Spotify creates fake ai artists and don't get sued?
To use AI is legit, I thought.
I think the point is he found a way to get a lot of plays/streams by using ai as fake listeners, but again that's what Spotify also does.

He's guilty of being a poor person who found a way to take money from the rich.

Fraud. Using bots to stream music. The AI angle isn't relevant directly. The only thing that makes it relevant is that it allowed him to create more songs to distribute the bots over.

[bermudagold]

hahahahaha lol

What did the guy get arrested for? In what way is what he did illegal?

I don't get it, either.
I mean Spotify creates fake ai artists and don't get sued?
To use AI is legit, I thought.
I think the point is he found a way to get a lot of plays/streams by using ai as fake listeners, but again that's what Spotify also does.

In US, PROs are not collecting royalties for AI content...spotify hasn't banned AI yet, but is deleting AI content and making it against terms of service to mimic a "famous" artist voice incurring removal...spotify is making using Bots a violation of TOS...TOS violations forfeit ur streaming revenues...dezeer is doing the same and even more...so I don't know what law he could get arrested by...but he could definitely be kicked off platform and sued to return the revenue payouts...maybe he didn't show up for civil court from a spotify recovery suit and got hit with a bench warrant...that's the only angle i can think of

update...use of bots on streaming services has already achieved precedent as illegal under "wire fraud" and "computer misuse" in USA

[BONES]

hahahahaha lol

Interestingly, Forbes reported this in September 2024 so it is old news. According to the article, he was making $1.2 million per year and the alleged offending started in 2017. He's been charged with fraud and money laundering. If he was creating fake accounts and using bots is a breach of ToS, then the fraud should be easy enough to prove.

Bottom line, the charges have nothing to do with AI, he was scamming them with music he had created all on his own. He only turned to AI late in the game, to increase the amount of material he could make money from. The charges are all about using bots, not about using AI.

A guy I worked with a few years ago got done for something similar. He'd go around taking photos of nothing in particular and upload them to Shutterstock. Then every day at work he buy his own images back, using the company account, and collect the royalties. He racked up 30 grand on the company account over a period of a couple of months before someone recognised one of the images as being the view out of the office window. It never occurred to him that anyone would notice when the monthly Shutterstock bill suddenly tripled. I don't think he ever got charged, he was just sacked and quietly disappeared, lest someone else get any stupid ideas.

[DCrown]

Well, it doesn't change the fact that more and more people, who have no musical skills at all will overflow the internet with full ai productions.
I watched videos what AI already can do and I think I could easily upload 20+ new songs every day. I could even create 20+ different fake AI artists for every single song.

[DCrown]

Wagtunes, I agree with enroe, maybe think about re-selling 50% of your plugins.
I did it 7 years ago, sold almost all of PA, NI and Acoustica Audio, Softube and many more plugins and I felt much better afterwards.
I don't miss any of these plugins.
I suppose you have Serum, Avenger, Pigments, Spire, Parawave, Dune and Phaseplant.
If yes, c'mon you would only need one or two of them.
Just to give you another example.
My most used eq is ReaEq (Reaper 's stock eq).
Then I would use some Pultec (Vocals, bass) emu and rarely dynamic eq (TDR Nova, there is even a free version). 3 eqs, more than enough!
And I have Waves Horizon plus some more Waves , what else would I need?!
Here and then some other option like Sonnox Limiter, Lexicon native reverbs, The Glue, LA3a emu...
I have a Pultec addiction, so I have probably every emu but UAD, that's it.
I have been using a daw for many years just like you and at the beginning my biggest challenge was to make electric bass sound right. It sounded really bad the first years and I tried tons of different plugins to improve the sound to make it sit well in a mix just to find out I need three plugins only - RBass,, LA3a emu and MEQ-5.

[DCrown]

I just read an article from 3004.
"A human, no ai robot, made a public live performance in Chicago. The band with a guitarist/singer, bassist and drummer rented former Civic Opera House, which is a huge massage and wellness salon for many years owned by AI robot Prof.Dr. Spex XA004756.
The concert was sold out, the event was something unique. The guitarist Jimi Handtricks borrowed a guitar called Fender Stratocaster from a museum, a cheap and bad looking guitar and had some noisy amp by Marshall, the amp produced noise even without a guitar plucked in, can you imagine and he used cables, how primitive. Bassist Nelly Redthing and drummer Pitch Playswell also had instruments from the museum (Fender, Ampeg and Ludwig Drums).
The show started and there was something called feedback, a noise hurting your ears, how awkward.
His voice seemed to be out of tune, the drums pretty loud and sometimes changing tempo everything sounded dull, noisy and annoying.
When Handtricks dared to play a 4 minutes guitar solo, the audience really got annoyed starting to throw virtual hologram stones at the band. It was a desaster. How bad must the music have sounded more than 100 years ago. Can you imagine?!"
The fact the band members promoted the event with their human names without exposing their registered ID for humans (the minority of population) is a violation against the law.
Mayor of Chigaco Dr. Prototype (Prot.) Pig Brodtha XA9998754 said: "Everyone who thinks he can hide his real ID must be punished"
There are rumors that even their names were made up!

[BONES]

Well, it doesn't change the fact that more and more people, who have no musical skills at all will overflow the internet with full ai productions.

Who cares? 99% of the music people make is krap anyway, AI isn't gong to make it any worse.

I watched videos what AI already can do and I think I could easily upload 20+ new songs every day. I could even create 20+ different fake AI artists for every single song.

So what? How would you get people to listen to it?

[Grizzellda]

Hey, posters, seriously, fellow KVRians, just pause, take a nice deep breath & a step back, and examine just how really crazy all this A.I. shit is.

Whaddaya want with it??

[Aloysius]

I replace checkout persons in the supermarket when I self checkout. The entire food selling industry has not collapsed. That is more likely to happen at the hands of the EU and Keir Starmer.