SUNO is killer!

[BONES]

...who makes so little money with his music after decades of trying that he can't even afford a Tunee subscription...

Lucky I earn good six figures as a graphic artist then, isn't it?

So, I think very little of BONES and his poor imitation of Front 242.

Nice try but I'm not really much of a fan of Front 242. Great live band, from what I've seen, but they never made an album I thought was any good. So there's no reason at all I'd be looking to imitate them. But I'm sure that's just your limited exposure to the genre, you have no proper points of comparison.

If there are any musicians who should be replaced by AI, I think he’s a fine choice.

I'm not a musician, never had any desire to be. They aren't relevant skills today, haven't been for ages.

Of course, as I always say, I’d love to work with a real human. That’s my preference. I’ve yet to have a person take me up on it.

Maybe you should have a long think about what that might be saying about you? My creative partnership has lasted more than 30 years so far.

I have always been interested in using technology in music to get the results that I want, but at the root of it, it’s my music.

And you don't see how that might be a barrier to working with others?

Can’t think of a tune? Go listen to some human music.

Why would I want to "think of a tune"? Ideas are easy, turning them into songs is the trick.

There’s plenty. Not everyone needs to make music, and if you don’t make money on it, and don’t enjoy it, what’s the point?

I think if you have talent, you have an obligation to pursue it, even if it's just an obligation to yourself. Sharing it with the world is optional and perhaps not always advised. If it's hard work, then it's hard work and you do it anyway because you're a grown-up, not a child.

[Grizzellda]

Oh Lord, Father, Creator, where do I start?? I mean really, you can't write this shit...

@zerocrossing, block me all you want, super disappointed in you. You are a smart guy! Just because I said "be nicer to BONES"?? Ha! and to say you know "what I am"? Well, what I am is the coolest poster here, on all of KVR. Everyone knows it, especially jan, who hasn't wanted to talk to me lately, because I have simply "outcooled her". She is a KVR ghoul, a vampire. She feeds on fresh KVR energy, but that does not include Grizzellda.

And you say you have blocked BONES?

Then why are you constantly interacting with him? Uh Huh...that is a good question. And you won't block Grizzellda, because you are a KVR addict, and assholes like me... am your fix.

[Zeisner]

I wouldn’t conflate monetary success with success in general when it comes to being an artist.

He mentioned the financial aspect himself (minus the art of course). He's trying to sell a product.

[BONES]

We don't make any money, it's never been any kind of motivation for us. We've both terrible when it comes to self-promotion so we're happy to do whatever our label asks us to do and let the chips fall where they may. We sell merch below cost, we give CDs away at gigs. We try to maximise value for our audience, not fleece them for every penny we can. Of course, it's only ever been a sideline for us, so we've never needed to make money from it. It's how you remain true to your art. I'm happy enough to prostitute my graphic art at work but music is far too important to me to allow any sort of compromise.

[TS-12]

Tried it for few months. at first I was extremely amazed then meh, became very predictable and not unique. got very tired of it.

[zerocrossing]

I wouldn’t conflate monetary success with success in general when it comes to being an artist.

He mentioned the financial aspect himself (minus the art of course). He's trying to sell a product.

I wish anyone who is trying to make a living off music a lot of luck. That’s what it takes. I’ve seen almost talentless hacks do pretty well. I’ve seen incredibly talented people languish in poverty and obscurity.

Recently, I’ve made a concerted effort to find good, new music. It’s out there, and not all that difficult to find. No one I’ve come across so far seems to have any major following. Just artists working in obscurity, getting a handful of “likes.” I’m not talking about experimental or weird stuff. I’m talking about music that has good universal appeal within its genre.

So… why AI music? Even if it’s just as good, it’s like inventing artificial trees. We have trees. No one sits around and thinks, “if only there was a way to grow something made of wood that could harness solar power to sequester carbon and produce oxygen.”

I think it fascinates people who have let their creative muscles atrophy, and it seems like a magic trick, but the 15th time you see the bouquet pulled out of the wand, it’s not really interesting. Maybe it’s a good crutch for those who don’t have a creative mind.

[Zeisner]

I think it fascinates people who have let their creative muscles atrophy

The only people I've seen so far who jumped onto the generative AI hypetrain didn't have any creativity in the first place.

[BONES]

You mean like audio engineers?

[zerocrossing]

I think it fascinates people who have let their creative muscles atrophy

The only people I've seen so far who jumped onto the generative AI hypetrain didn't have any creativity in the first place.

It’s sort of fascinating to me how eager people are to offload what’s probably the most fun thing a human can do outside sex.

[ghettosynth]

I think it fascinates people who have let their creative muscles atrophy

The only people I've seen so far who jumped onto the generative AI hypetrain didn't have any creativity in the first place.

It’s sort of fascinating to me how eager people are to offload what’s probably the most fun thing a human can do outside sex.

That explains a LOT.

[bermudagold]

I think it fascinates people who have let their creative muscles atrophy

The only people I've seen so far who jumped onto the generative AI hypetrain didn't have any creativity in the first place.

It’s sort of fascinating to me how eager people are to offload what’s probably the most fun thing a human can do outside sex.

exactly...production engineering has always adopted "AI"..."Art" as a humanist endeavor is different...the point of AI was to do the things humans are bad at better...freeing us up for newfound time to pursue the creative tasks...that's why the interest and amount of venture capital being thrown at AI in the arts is bewildering to many of the pioneers...AI in the arts is kinda antithetical to the existential purpose and role of art in human society

anyway, kobito is back at it below...will be interesting to watch his journey and where he ends up in feeling on the tech... the problem with this use case...in addition to surrendering so much conscious intent to the algorithm steering you towards statistical conformity,...is ur inadvertently steering the future every time you use it

[jancivil]

I think it fascinates people who have let their creative muscles atrophy

The only people I've seen so far who jumped onto the generative AI hypetrain didn't have any creativity in the first place.

It’s sort of fascinating to me how eager people are to offload what’s probably the most fun thing a human can do outside sex.

It's not fascinating to me, I've seen it here for... decades. "Recommend me a plugin that creates chords from a scale"; people writing software to write chord progressions for you.

[zerocrossing]

I think it fascinates people who have let their creative muscles atrophy

The only people I've seen so far who jumped onto the generative AI hypetrain didn't have any creativity in the first place.

It’s sort of fascinating to me how eager people are to offload what’s probably the most fun thing a human can do outside sex.

exactly...production engineering has always adopted "AI"..."Art" as a humanist endeavor is different...the point of AI was to do the things humans are bad at better...freeing us up for newfound time to pursue the creative tasks...that's why the interest and amount of venture capital being thrown at AI in the arts is bewildering to many of the pioneers...AI in the arts is kinda antithetical to the existential purpose and role of art in human society

anyway, kobito is back at it below...will be interesting to watch his journey and where he ends up in feeling on the tech... the problem with this use case...in addition to surrendering so much conscious intent to the algorithm steering you towards statistical conformity,...is ur inadvertently steering the future every time you use it

I've commented on this video before, and I've got mixed feelings about it. Clearly, that dude is a musician and a song writer, but perhaps not a performer or producer. I think about this a lot because I think I'm the same, but I spent a long time trying to ram myself in a performer shaped hole that I never really fit in. Why wasn't I just writing music the whole time? Well... I was. But how else could you get people to hear your songs? No easy access to a good recording studio (usually) No internet. No industry contacts.

But where I differ from that dude is, I was always very interested in technology of all types, and especially music and recording technology. The parts of music that really got me excited weren't necessarily the the lovely harmonies of the Fab Four, but the crazy tape collages of George Martin. So, while I'm not interested in singing a song into Suno, I get how that's exciting to someone who doesn't really care to be in a band, learn music production, and just wants to put out their songs in arrangements that are beyond a middle age dude and a digital piano. I don't really think of it as a chore, and I guess to a smaller degree, I do lean on machine learning models for instruments that I don't play, though I am playing the parts on a traditional keyboard.

I do have a handful of tunes that I call my "Rutle parody songs." Just some funny tunes that I wrote when I played in a Beatles tribute band when I was bored, but I think they're funny enough (to Beatles fans) to maybe produce, but maybe not really worth the time it would take. "I Want To Sit On A Rock (With You)" should really have it's day in the sun, and maybe feeding a rough demo into Suno and telling it to sound like something off of With The Beatles is about as much effort as a song with that title deserves.

So, if song writing is your deal and you hate performing or production, I'm not going to yuk your yum, even though the production is generic. Generic production isn't new, that's for sure. What does have me scratching my head is when people type in a prompt and let the model create the entire thing out of its training content and statistical probability. Mostly because... who is that for? I don't think it will bring you fame, unless you're the .00001% of people the industry anoints as royalty every few years so they can keep dreams alive. I don't think it will give you any sense of real accomplishment, and it definitely isn't you expressing yourself.

[Zeisner]

It’s sort of fascinating to me how eager people are to offload what’s probably the most fun thing a human can do outside sex.

If you have no talent you can't develop skill. Without skill, every little step remains a tedious chore. No matter how much effort you put into everything, it will remain amateurish, bad. This results in no sense of achievemen and no fun (Because you never reach that point when you can "just write" or "just play"). So you outsource as much as possible to somebody or something else. Bones' music is a good example for that.

[ghettosynth]

I think you suck. Everything about you. Like an angry slab of bologna that makes crap music.

And here was me not wanting to hurt your feelings when I thought it might have been your voice. Next time I'll just give it to you straight.

Yeah, my man One Bit gets sensitive about his music too. Not everyone can take that kitchen heat.