When you buy a hardware synth do you actually own all of it?

[DCrown]

It is just a way I consider it.

Ownership.is a burden and responsibility!
I prefer the feeling of freedom, so I consider Yamaha the owner.

You spent your hard earned money?
A dev and manufacturer of instruments gives you the right and honor to play their Instruments, isn't it worth your money?
Why did you buy it?
To say you are the owner or to play it?!

To have unlimited possesion, access and to play it at MY time at my terms with no strings attached and no company telling me what a i can or cant do and no compter operating system getting in the way... the freedom to create with what I paid for

Are you sure you are relaxed most of the time and can sleep well at night with such a mindset?
I couldn't.
Don't get me wrong I don't think you are a bad person.

[surreal]

It is just a way I consider it.

Ownership.is a burden and responsibility!
I prefer the feeling of freedom, so I consider Yamaha the owner.

You spent your hard earned money?
A dev and manufacturer of instruments gives you the right and honor to play their Instruments, isn't it worth your money?
Why did you buy it?
To say you are the owner or to play it?!

To have unlimited possesion, access and to play it at MY time at my terms with no strings attached and no company telling me what a i can or cant do and no compter operating system getting in the way... the freedom to create with what I paid for

Are you sure you are relaxed most of the time and can sleep well at night with such a mindset?
I couldn't.
Don't get me wrong I don't think you are a bad person.

I sleep very peacefully thanks and i flow very well creatively with no blockages stressing about sudden software incompatibilities and drm' shutting down due to the Wise Ai bots working for Microsoft where there incompatibilities mess up your software and system. Btw, you dont know me personally and my character is irrelevant to the topic discussed here... please stay on the topic of hardware ownership, thanks

[surreal]

It is just a way I consider it.

Ownership.is a burden and responsibility!
I prefer the feeling of freedom, so I consider Yamaha the owner.

You spent your hard earned money?
A dev and manufacturer of instruments gives you the right and honor to play their Instruments, isn't it worth your money?
Why did you buy it?
To say you are the owner or to play it?!

To have unlimited possesion, access and to play it at MY time at my terms with no strings attached and no company telling me what a i can or cant do and no compter operating system getting in the way... the freedom to create with what I paid for

Are you sure you are relaxed most of the time and can sleep well at night with such a mindset?
I couldn't.
Don't get me wrong I don't think you are a bad person.

I sleep very peacefully thanks and i flow very well creatively with no blockages stressing about sudden software incompatibilities and drm' shutting down due to the Wise Ai bots working for Microsoft where there incompatibilities mess up your software and system. Btw, you dont know me personally and my character is irrelevant to the topic discussed here... please stay on the topic of hardware ownership, thanks

That being, said thank you very much for your view point on the topic aswell, we all have our views and they are all valid, but i also apprecite your viewpoint on the topic... have a great day further!

[Seafire Mk2]

None of my hardware has a ROM

[agharta]

There isn't one answer to this question. It depends on what country you are in and what the EULA says. Be default, you do not have any rights to somebody else's copyrighted material. When you buy the synth, there will be some EULA that gives you some rights to the copyrighted code / sounds. It probably says something like you are restricted to using it with the original hardware. If there is any form of copy protection, then it is illegal to dump the roms in USA/Canada, even for personal use.

Did you sign an EULA when you bought a hardware device? I sure didn't. I don't think EULAs are universally legally valid anyway in every situation and country. They need to refer to the copyright etc. law in the specific country they are selling their product. Ofc you can write about anything there but it doesn't mean it's legally valid.

Did you sign anything when you bought a CD?
It's still copyrighted in most countries and there are restrictions on what you can do with the contents.

[vurt]

None of my hardware has a ROM

some of mine do, but they're (mostly) open sourced with encouragement to hack them

[Touch The Universe]

I think you missed the point:

And yet...

since you apparently don't own the code in the ROM, are you actually free to use the code of your hardware synth in these software synths as some say?

See, that was exactly my point; its actually about the code in the ROM not the ROM that you were talking about when you said

I think you don't actually own the ROMs

You own the ROMs. You dont own the code on the ROMs.

You own the ROMs physically but not the code on the ROMs, as someone else said, you own a book you bought but not the words in it. When you download a ROMs online, aren't these the words which you dont' own?

[keys_au1]

wow, this thread is too deep for this little bunny, I'll just play the damn thing and have fun!

[Teksonik]

You own the ROMs. You dont own the code on the ROMs.

So then is the conclusion that even if someone owns one of the hardware synths in the TUS collection they can't legally use the ROM samples in the software emulation?

Wouldn't it mean that no one could use any of the TUS emulations and make the whole concept rather pointless (unless one is so desperate for a synth they would be willing to break the law or compromise their morals)? Does "fair use" not come into play? I don't know, I'm asking. It's way above my pay grade.

To be honest I don't really care as I have all the synths I'll ever need and I'd be very comfortable if TUS simply faded away and the whole controversy ended.

I will say that it seems like a missed business opportunity for the copyright holders to sell ROMs so people could use them in the software if the hardware units are no longer produced or sold but that's another debate for another day.

[IvyBirds]

You own the ROMs. You dont own the code on the ROMs.

So then is the conclusion that even if someone owns one of the hardware synths in the TUS collection they can't legally use the ROM samples in the software emulation?

Wouldn't it mean that no one could use any of the TUS emulations and make the whole concept rather pointless (unless one is so desperate for a synth they would be willing to break the law or compromise their morals)? Does "fair use" not come into play? I don't know, I'm asking. It's way above my pay grade.

To be honest I don't really care as I have all the synths I'll ever need and I'd be very comfortable if TUS simply faded away and the whole controversy ended.

I will say that it seems like a missed business opportunity for the copyright holders to sell ROMs so people could use them in the software if the hardware units are no longer produced or sold but that's another debate for another day.

There is no fair use for copyrighted software you are unauthorized to use

[Teksonik]

So then it's settled. No one can legally use any of the TUS emulations (of course that won't stop many of the members here and that's the truly sad part).

So they should shut the whole project down and move on....or try to work a deal with the ROM copyright holders. (good luck with that).

[surreal]

And no one is legally able to sample any rompler too, settled then .. capisch!!

[Touch The Universe]

Why not ask the devs of the firmware what's what? Doesn't their silence say something too - gray zone allowance?

[IvyBirds]

Why not ask the devs of the firmware what's what? Doesn't their silence say something too - gray zone allowance?

Because you don't have to ask them, it's established law

Musicians should care deeply about IP and copyright law, sadly they don't

[IvyBirds]

And no one is legally able to sample any rompler too, settled then .. capisch!!

You absolutely can for your own personal use. What you can't do is then distribute them