When you buy a hardware synth do you actually own all of it?

[Seluvis]

That's fine, as long as you say so. Just dont claim it as maths and hard logic when it isnt.

Why should I when 99.9% of other Kvr members are making statements that lean into their own personal philosophies including you without any preconditions. Give it a rest or jog on.

[Seafire Mk2]

If I sell my hardware synths, who do i send the money too?

[Seafire Mk2]

Why should I when 99.9% of other Kvr members are making statements

99.9% of kvr members don't post at all.

[whyterabbyt]

Why should I

Why should you not claim that some bullshit you made up isnt based on actual science the way you pretend it is?

Well, the amount you whinged about being called on it might be a clue.

Or the fact that it makes you a lying arsehole.

Your call.

when 99.9% of other Kvr members are making statements that lean into their own personal philosophies

ah, its everyone else's fault. figures.

including you

bzzzt. nice try.

Give it a rest or jog on.

Erm, no thanks.

[Seluvis]

Why should I when 99.9% of other Kvr members are making statements

99.9% of kvr members don't post at all.

I was obviously referring to the active membership who do post. Point taken though.

[IvyBirds]

When you buy a TV do you own all of it?

No because modern TVs even the super cheap ones all come with apps and propritary software and are usually running some kind of operating system built in Android or Linux and support things like Dolby Digital or other Audio Codec

And they are full of apps for things like Netflix, YouTube, Hulu, et

All of that also sits on top of firmware that controls which pixels light up and at what color

You own the hardware but not the software that makes it all work

[jme-audio]

[Seluvis]

Well, the amount you whinged about being called on it might be a clue.
Or the fact that it makes you a lying arsehole.

Why do you feel the need to resort to personal insults? I understand that you don't agree with me but is there any need for that type of language?

when 99.9% of other Kvr members are making statements that lean into their own personal philosophies

ah, its everyone else's fault. figures.

I never blamed the membership here for holding a philosophical point of view. Nice try at deflecting and twisting my words.
At this juncture I really can't see anything positive will come about from our interactions, I'll try to bow out as gracefully as I am allowed unless of course you want to continue escalating the issue by hurling a torrent of personal insults?

[sjm]

Seluvis, you are free to say that a dog is a cat, and if you hold that position (or call it a philosophy), more power to you.

What you can't do is claim that this is some universally agreed upon point of view, or that redefining terms so as to be meaningless is anything other than that.

You need to expect pushback if you make nonsensical claims. You are free to do so and revel in that philosophy of life. But don't expect everyone else to passively accept you redefining the definition of words just because. We agree on terms for a reason. Making up your own definitions might be fun, but it is neither helpful nor conducive to communicating with others. If you call a cat a dog and I call it a rabbit and whyterabbyt calls it an intergalactic spaceship because they are all physical objects and therefore interchangeable terms, discourse breaks down. Especially when someone else uses dog or rabbit to refer to palm trees.

I'm not sure what purpose you think you are serving by doing that. It's a marginally interesting philosophical exercise, but it's hardly the pinnacle of intellectual achievements.

[Seluvis]

You need to expect pushback if you make nonsensical claims. You are free to do so and revel in that philosophy of life. But don't expect everyone else to passively accept you redefining the definition of words just because.

I am fine with pushback but as you can clearly see another member here decided to take another approach. An approach that led to me being called a lying arsehole. Is that really your definition of passive pushback?

I'm not sure what purpose you think you are serving by doing that. It's a marginally interesting philosophical exercise, but it's hardly the pinnacle of intellectual achievements.

I am at least grateful that you find it marginally interesting, it was never my intent to start a major argument. I was trying to keep things reasonably lighthearted.
Thanks for taking the time to comment on the matter its appreciated.

[sjm]

You need to expect pushback if you make nonsensical claims. You are free to do so and revel in that philosophy of life. But don't expect everyone else to passively accept you redefining the definition of words just because.

I am fine with pushback but as you can clearly see another member here decided to take another approach. An approach that led to me being called a lying arsehole. Is that really your definition of passive pushback?

No, but mainly because pushback can't be passive. Again, let's not redefine terms (in this case the word passive), nor misquote other users (the acceptance without pushback is what I said was passive).

[whyterabbyt]

Why do you feel the need to resort to personal insults? I understand that you don't agree with me but is there any need for that type of language?

Except I didnt resort to personal insults. I know what I actually said, and you took that personally even though it wasnt addressed personally. You really need to learn how the english language works...

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/generic_you

So, to recap:

statement : dont lie about a discipline of science supporting your assertions
q: but why shouldnt I lie about a discipline of science supporting what is only a personal opinion?
a: because you whinged about being called on doing that, and because people who do that are lying arseholes

'If you do x you are y' is not a personal attack, its delineating the people in a set.

Either that or you're trying to pass off 'you whinged' as a 'personal insult' even though your posts corroborate that you whinged, and continue to whinge.

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictio ... ish/whinge

I never blamed the membership here for holding a philosophical point of view. Nice try at deflecting and twisting my words.

Actually I was talking about you justifying passing off your opinion as being grounded in science on the basis that other people expressed opinions. Because that's what you did. No deflection or twisting required.

[Seluvis]

Except I didnt resort to personal insults. I know what I actually said, and you took that personally even though it wasnt addressed personally. You really need to learn how the english language works...

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/generic_you

May I remind you that you first judged me as one of those Figures and then proceeded to call me a lying arsehole for basically holding a point of view. Of course you are more than welcome to judge me but your aggression towards me is somewhat unjustified.
As I said before perhaps we can agree to disagree and move on?

[whyterabbyt]

May I remind you that you first judged me as one of those Figures

Irrelevant to my correction of your misrepresentation of what I said and meant.

And one of those what? Please do quote the specific set I defined as 'those.'

Interesting that you try and put a pejorative spin on it, though. May I remind you that I merely categorised you in the set 'those.'

You know, in direct response to you attempting to categorise me, by asserting imagined behaviour. Twice.

Oh, and by the way, it wasnt 'those Figures'. Parse punctuation better.

Ah, you're one of those. Figures.

and then proceeded to call me a lying arsehole for basically holding a point of view.

So you're just repeating that lie, despite being provided with the facts, are you? Figures.

your aggression towards me is somewhat unjustified.

Interesting that you seem to find it 'somewhat justified' to lie to, and about, me, to the point where you misrepresent rebuttal as 'aggression'

[Seluvis]

Have a nice day whyterabbyt, I've said as much as I am going to with you on this issue. The floor is yours, have it.