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Seafire Mk2 · Post by **Seafire Mk2** » Fri Mar 20, 2026 10:25 pm

Why? They are beyond saving.

HM · Post by HM » Fri Mar 20, 2026 11:28 pm

BONES wrote: Fri Mar 20, 2026 10:04 pm
martinjuenke wrote: Wed Mar 11, 2026 7:27 am
markp wrote: Wed Mar 11, 2026 5:51 am So. The website seems to be gone now... www.native-instruments.com

Click bait
It worked for me, it made me go and have a look and I found something to buy. If you want to save NI, that's what you need to do - BUY STUFF from them.

Why should we save them ? let fall what not deserves to remain

They hustled years ago by letting in the investment-boys, and degraded since, (surprice).

Also they played roulette with the format and base for an hole niche industry

The good thing: they exposed that this hole concept with a closed monopoly-format is sick

Its just time to move on, leave them in the deathbed, someone else will maybe take over
when things get split up, but the hole concept around the kontakt format need to change,
or we will just see same things repeat, just dependancy of another activation-server insteadt

Beside this monopoly format, there is not that many actives left, the hardware is nothing
to write home about either in general

Izotope and PA likely got better ods for survival than core NI after a split/reconstruction IMHO

BONES · Post by **BONES** » Sat Mar 21, 2026 12:01 am

I made no call on whether or not we should save them, I merely pointed out for those who do think they are worth saving that they need to support the company financially. That said, in my opinion we should save them because they ARE worth saving. NI is one of my top 3 vendors, in that it is one of three I buy a lot of stuff from. One of the others relies on Kontakt for most of its products, too, which makes NI doubly worth saving.

What's wrong with the "Kontakt format"? It think it's f**king great and a lot of my favourite, most used instruments are Kontakt libraries and because they all use Kontakt, the learning curve on even some of the weirdest ones is still easy. I can choose to license them through either Native Access or through the third party company's app, although keeping everything centralised in Native Access makes way more sense.

BONES · Post by **BONES** » Sat Mar 21, 2026 12:14 am

Seafire Mk2 wrote: Fri Mar 20, 2026 10:25 pmWhy? They are beyond saving.

Says you! They are still releasing really useful new products, I bought SCENE: Bloodplant just this morning for a more than reasonable AU$49. SCHEMA: Dark, which is a couple of years old now, is something we use in almost every new song. Beyond that we use multiple Heavyocity Kontakt libraries in most songs and Output's libraries, particularly Substance and Analog Strings, still get a lot of use, even after 7 or 8 years. There aren't too many plugins I can say that about.

NI has been an integral part in the transformation our sound has undergone since we moved away from Orion and we definitely rely on their plugins more than those of any other vendor. Their prices are also very reasonable, with lots of sales, which is why we keep coming back to them.

Seafire Mk2 · Post by **Seafire Mk2** » Sat Mar 21, 2026 12:19 am

You bough some samples for $25.

You can buy that shit anywhere

DrGonzo · Post by **DrGonzo** » Sat Mar 21, 2026 5:22 am

Anyone being disappointed in NI has every right to feel that way, but I hope for a cool comeback.

StartMenu · Post by **StartMenu** » Sat Mar 21, 2026 5:31 am

I have a real question because I don't feel like asking AI. On a Mac/PC with the latest OS is there a traditional way to offload your samples to RAM only in modern DAW's using Kontakt 8? I don't really eat into my RAM much when I access 2-4 Kontakt libaries with various plugins in Cubase, etc. Shouldn't there be a setting to offload chunks of processing to RAM on Mac? I have 64 Gigs on both my systems.

StartMenu · Post by **StartMenu** » Sat Mar 21, 2026 6:33 am

Noone replying, yet? It just makes sense to me to offload CPU to RAM on Mac without a special app. I am considering an end game type final upgrade to a new Mac and don't see why I would have a need for more than 64 Gigs if the RAM can't be used by anything but massive loads of samples that normally bog down a system like what I have. I would have to get a computer 4 times more powerful than mine to somehow use my RAM or something?

StartMenu · Post by **StartMenu** » Sat Mar 21, 2026 6:38 am

I can give an example. 5 Gigs of sample libary material can't even be supported by my multi CPU Mac. When my Mac peaks CPU usage at 50% usage and I get full overload of my system. The RAM could normally offload CPU load intensity in theory and then maybe I wouldn't need doubling of computer power to have 100% power with a brand new M5, although 100% load doesn't kill it and still works it's just annoying. I use a CPU meter and a RAM meter.

stratology · Post by **stratology** » Sat Mar 21, 2026 6:40 am

BONES wrote: Sat Mar 21, 2026 12:01 am I made no call on whether or not we should save them, I merely pointed out for those who do think they are worth saving that they need to support the company financially.

The article linked earlier mentions over €250 million in debt, and that the root cause of the bankruptcy is not poor sales, but poor financial decisions.

Realistically, buying software will not make a dent. It would be more like a symbolic, probably unrecoverable, donation showing solidarity with the company.

What NI are looking for are investors who are willing to buy over €250 million in debt.

I really hope Plugin Alliance survives...

StartMenu · Post by **StartMenu** » Sat Mar 21, 2026 6:49 am

stratology wrote: Sat Mar 21, 2026 6:40 am
BONES wrote: Sat Mar 21, 2026 12:01 am I made no call on whether or not we should save them, I merely pointed out for those who do think they are worth saving that they need to support the company financially.

The article linked earlier mentions over €250 million in debt, and that the root cause of the bankruptcy is not poor sales, but poor financial decisions.

Realistically, buying software will not make a dent. It would be more like a symbolic, probably unrecoverable, donation showing solidarity with the company.

What NI are looking for are investors who are willing to buy over €250 million in debt.

I really hope Plugin Alliance survives...

Plugin Alliance has some absolute gems and they support iLok. We need iLok on a future incarnation of Native then Native has us made! I want all Kontakt libraries to support iLok through Kontakt because these companies can't stay afloat in the long term. It's bogus that Reason dropped it's Codemeter. Noone's thinking ahead what is this world driven to? iLok indefinitely sustains companies through offline protection! No need to "re-apply" registration or do challenge and response or

re-download it all.

DrGonzo · Post by **DrGonzo** » Sat Mar 21, 2026 7:30 am

StartMenu wrote: Sat Mar 21, 2026 6:49 am Plugin Alliance has some absolute gems and they support iLok. We need iLok on a future incarnation of Native then Native has us made! I want all Kontakt libraries to support iLok through Kontakt because these companies can't stay afloat in the long term. It's bogus that Reason dropped it's Codemeter. Noone's thinking ahead what is this world driven to? iLok indefinitely sustains companies through offline protection! No need to "re-apply" registration or do challenge and response or re-download it all.

Not sure if you are serious or this is some next-level sarcasm.

HM · Post by HM » Sat Mar 21, 2026 8:33 am

stratology wrote: Sat Mar 21, 2026 6:40 am
The article linked earlier mentions over €250 million in debt, and that the root cause of the bankruptcy is not poor sales, but poor financial decisions.

Realistically, buying software will not make a dent. It would be more like a symbolic, probably unrecoverable, donation showing solidarity with the company.

What NI are looking for are investors who are willing to buy over €250 million in debt.

StartMenu wrote: Sat Mar 21, 2026 6:49 am Plugin Alliance has some absolute gems and they support iLok. We need iLok on a future incarnation of Native then Native has us made! I want all Kontakt libraries to support iLok through Kontakt because these companies can't stay afloat in the long term. It's bogus that Reason dropped it's Codemeter. Noone's thinking ahead what is this world driven to? iLok indefinitely sustains companies through offline protection! No need to "re-apply" registration or do challenge and response or re-download it all.

I guess what they support is USB-stick, like Waves, but you are both absolutely right

(all should back up Izotope/PA licenses to USB/iLok and download installers while they can)

Thus I mentionend this mess teached us not to be dependand on activation-servers like NI

The kind of compagny, (if any), that takes over Kontakt needs to be trustworthy partners and
not yet another investment-speculant, ready to rip it once again, and format must be open

I will not buy one single Kontakt-library again, before Kontakt can be activated on a dongle

Not after whats been going on for a decade, NI are 100 pct responsible for their own deroute

Until then I will write off all my Kontakt-librarys on the loss-account, (thats many),..

What is the idea in working on a projekt, and then next year you cant open it on your new PC,
becourse compagny and activation-server is down ,... or maybe down soon ?

Creative did exactly this to E-mu X3 ,.. so it is not that its not seen before

VariKusBrainZ · Post by **VariKusBrainZ** » Sat Mar 21, 2026 9:13 am

Its funny, people borrow equipment to write tunes and here they abandon a perfectly working tool they have installed at the drop of trouble

burkek · Post by **burkek** » Sat Mar 21, 2026 9:54 am

StartMenu wrote: Sat Mar 21, 2026 6:38 am I can give an example. 5 Gigs of sample libary material can't even be supported by my multi CPU Mac. When my Mac peaks CPU usage at 50% usage and I get full overload of my system.

Where are you seeing a 50% usage? Where are you getting that number from? If you're using Activity Monitor I bet you're reading it wrong.

Native Instruments file for insolvency...