The rise of Linux desktop is inevitable — it’s time music software developers got on board

[ghettosynth]

Moar propaganda. Are you never gettin tired to lie at people?

Here you go, with the truth about Linux at the desktop. Unchanged since over ten years:

You are missing the point. You seem to think that I'm arguing that people should use Linux. I'm not, and I'm not here to help you use it either. However, that doesn't stop people from wanting to try. So, if you are going to try, then there's someone who is in your camp, not Linus Torvalds, who is trying Linux, so you can learn from it. That's why I posted the video.

You are trying so very hard to win a war that nobody but you is fighting.

Do you know what else has been out for more than ten years, Reaper.

REAPER supports Linux on Intel and ARM architectures, and the Windows version works well with WINE.

[Zeisner]

Oh dear. CachyOS is not only a "young" (read: not mature) distro -- it's also a niche one (read: small enduser base for testing).

If it works, it works, that's all that matters. And it didn't work just like those old big "tested" distros.

What are the "other distros" did you try? Debian? Mint? MX?

Yes.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!! Pop uses a brand new (read: just out of beta) desktop called "Cosmic". If your computer didn't like Cachy, it probably won't like Cosmic.

Again - if it works, it works. Anything else is irrelevant. Maybe System76 managed to actually fix the broken scheduler and cache system. I don't expect it though. There is no hope left after 16 or 17 completely different distros tried on three completely different systems. One lap of honor and then I can finally close that chapter.

[ghettosynth]

Here you go, Linus and Linus build a PC Together.

[Tiles]

Moar propaganda. Are you never gettin tired to lie at people?

Here you go, with the truth about Linux at the desktop. Unchanged since over ten years:

You are missing the point. You seem to think that I'm arguing that people should use Linux. I'm not, and I'm not here to help you use it either. However, that doesn't stop people from wanting to try. So, if you are going to try, then there's someone who is in your camp, not Linus Torvalds, who is trying Linux, so you can learn from it. That's why I posted the video.

You are trying so very hard to win a war that nobody but you is fighting.

Do you know what else has been out for more than ten years, Reaper.

REAPER supports Linux on Intel and ARM architectures, and the Windows version works well with WINE.

There is no “war” here, and framing it that way is already part of the problem.

I’m not trying to “win” anything. I’m pointing out where arguments about Linux are objectively wrong, misleading, or in some cases just straight-up false. That has nothing to do with whether people should use Linux or not. People can use whatever they want. In case you need help with Linux, i'm here!

What I’m pushing back against is the pattern of overstated claims and selective narratives that often get presented as facts. When something is demonstrably incorrect, it should be called out. That’s not hostility, that’s basic accuracy.

Posting a video is fine. But a video doesn’t automatically make the underlying claims valid, especially when it comes from a perspective that already has a strong bias. And a video that has such wrong claims already in the title is not worth even watching it.

And the comparison with REAPER doesn’t really support your point. The fact that something has existed for years says nothing about how easy it is to adopt, how well it fits different users, or whether the arguments around it are being represented honestly. Drivers, periphery, support, all this is objectively better under Windows even with Reaper.

So again, no “war.” Just correcting bad arguments and calling out misinformation where it appears.

[legendCNCD]

Didnt the Linus Tech guy just try the Linux for last time and it did not work again? Oh well, in the meantime, I'll make music instead of fighting with the OS.

[j_e_g]

didn't work just like those old big "tested" distros.

I initially suspected that your troubles had to do with running your desktop on a new Wayland session (instead of the legacy X11 session).

But Mint uses Cinnamon desktop by default, which uses only X11,

If you tried 17 or 18 distros, including Debian, Mint, and MX, and none of them work (on three different systems no less), that leaves one final possibility:

You've actually been trying to install linux on an apple watch, a smart toaster, and an E-Z Bake oven you bought at a garage sale.

[ghettosynth]

E-Z Bake oven you bought at a garage sale.

That's so not going to work. You need NetBSD for that. It runs on anything.

[Zeisner]

I stumbled upon a really good analogy once about a guy with two cars. The first one being an okayish van he uses on a daily basis to drive to work and to the grocery store. This is the "bad" car. The second has been standing in his garage for decades, unfinished - it's not much more than a motor. The motor finally works after two decades of tinkering but you can't drive a single meter with it. This is the passion project, the "good car", the "best car ever" even...

[TheMaestro]

"Narrative" and "ChatGPT says" in a thread about Linux is peak KVR.

[TheMaestro]

Retro version:

Mac Airways
You enter a perfectly white terminal with no signs. The cashiers, flight attendants, and pilots all look exactly the same, act the same, and talk the same. Every time you ask a question about the flight details, you are told you don’t need to know, don’t want to know, and would you please return to your seat and watch the movie.
You feel like something is missing, but it looks so good you don't care.

Windows Airlines
The terminal is pretty and colorful, with friendly stewards and a smooth take-off. After about 10 minutes in the air, the plane explodes with no warning whatsoever.

Linux Air
Disgruntled employees of all the other airlines decide to start their own. They build the planes and pave the runways themselves. They charge a small fee for the ticket, but you can also download and print your own for free. When you board, you are given a seat, four bolts, a wrench, and a copy of the Seat-HOWTO.html. Once you finish assembling it, the seat is the most comfortable in the sky. You try to tell other people about the trip, but they just ask: "You had to do what with the seat?"

[TheMaestro]

Modern version

Windows Airlines
The terminal is sleek and translucent, but you are forced to walk through a "Recommended" gift shop three times before reaching the gate. Every time you try to sit down, a flight attendant interrupts to ask if you’d like to try Copilot Air, which will record your entire conversation to "help you remember it later." Halfway through the flight, the pilot announces a mandatory 15-minute maintenance pause. The plane doesn't crash anymore; it just stays perfectly still in the air while a blue circle spins on the windows. You can only use the bathroom if you have a Microsoft Account and an internet connection.

macOS Airways
The plane is a masterpiece of brushed aluminum with no visible rivets. There are no doors; you simply "AirDrop" yourself into your seat. The flight is incredibly smooth, but you discover that your seatbelt only works if you are wearing an Apple Watch, and you can only look out the window if you’ve paid for the iView Monthly Subscription. If you try to bring your own headphones, the flight attendant explains that the "ecosystem" doesn't support third-party wires. When you ask why the flight costs $4,000, they smile and say, "It’s not an airplane, it’s a spatial travel experience."

Linux Airlines
There is no airline. There is a pile of titanium tubing, a jet engine manual written in Swedish, and a community of 500 people on a Discord server arguing about which brand of fuel is "purest." You spend three weeks building the wing using a custom script you wrote yourself. When you finally take off, you realize you are flying the fastest, most efficient aircraft in history—but you forgot to install the "Landing Gear" package because it wasn't in the main repository. You tell everyone on Twitter (X) that you're "flying a custom build," but they just reply: "I use Fedora, btw."

AI Airlines
You tell the pilot you want to go to London. The pilot hallucinated that London is in the middle of the Pacific Ocean. When you point this out, the pilot says, "As an AI, I don't have feelings, but I'm confident this is the most efficient route to London, Hawaii" and that you have reached your Token Limit for the flight.

[Zeisner]

You've actually been trying to install linux on an apple watch, a smart toaster, and an E-Z Bake oven you bought at a garage sale.

Nope. Three laptops. One that came originally with Windows Vista (My throwaway system), one with 7 Professional and one with 11 Professional. The latter two from a company that builds systems for audio and video processing, plenty of processing power, stable and reliable - at least with a proper OS.

[ghettosynth]

Didnt the Linus Tech guy just try the Linux for last time and it did not work again? Oh well, in the meantime, I'll make music instead of fighting with the OS.

Could be. I didn't watch the video. Just showing you what you're in for. Works fine here.

[j_e_g]

Three laptops.

Why three? You have only two hands. How do you type on the third...

OMG! You pervert!

from a company that builds systems for audio and video processing

Hopefully not nvidea graphics. Those aren't well-supported on Linux.

[uOpt]

Why #2? Because Linux devs have f**ked around with the audio support to the point that it's unreliable (often breaks during updates), and almost impossible to fix (poor documentation, horrific lack of error checking/reporting). For those people, I recommend keeping around Win 10 for music work. Linux for everything else.

about the "inevitable rise of Linux"... It hasn't happened yet and I can't see it happening any time soon.

As far as audio is concerned, it will never get better. It's screwed beyond repair.

While I won't whitewash the mess we have been living with for 30 years I would argue that pipewire is a step forward. On the surface it looks like adding to the mess by adding just another audio daemon, but it does actually simplify things.

With pipewire you can have a jack clone sit on the actual audio drivers, and you don't need to run a pulseuadio daemon anymore. PA is super unpredictable and generally a piece of trash, and running it as a second daemon doesn't help. With pipewire that problem goes out the window.