Roland Cloud

[SAGG]

I don't know how often ACB Jupiter-6 was requested (probably a fair amount), but JX ACB series were requested as if it was the last drop of water in the friggin' desert, literally.

So it's odd to read there was some alleged "lack of mass demand" or "mass appeal", hence Roland's hesitation to proceed. There was no lack of mass demand or appeal. Whatsoever. Quite the opposite, and Roland reps can attest to that, as I'm sure they grew tired listening to it over the years.

I mean, what else people could possibly have done for ACB JX to be developed? They went to hell and back, they've been shouting about it from the rooftops. You request a product in mass numbers, they don't listen to you, you demand it, you even threaten to drop a solid deuce on Roland CEO's porch if any of the previous don't work.

What other message Roland required? There was nothing obfuscated about that message. "Give us the friggin' ACB JX-8P already". Loud and clear as a church bell.

They did lots of their synths for both ACB and Zenology. The reason why they did leave out ACB JX-8P in particular escapes me. But not for the lack of demand, that's for sure.

[Echoes in the Attic]

Are they even doing ACB emulations anymore? Ben a while since they released one eh? They haven't even updated the existing ones with the browsers and new panels they introduced in the jupiter-8/4 and juno.

[beely]

Are they even doing ACB emulations anymore? Ben a while since they released one eh?

Yes - the last ACB plugin they made was the most recently released one - the Boss Effects Pedals. It was released about two months ago (edit: actually, my bad, I was going by the news items on Roland Cloud, and the one two months ago was just the recent update that added more ACB pedals - it was originally released last year.)

If you mean instruments, the last ACB one they released was the CR-78 - also two months ago.

So the answer to those questions is yes, and "about two months".

And yes, many of us would like to see more ACB synths...

[Echoes in the Attic]

Are they even doing ACB emulations anymore? Ben a while since they released one eh?

Yes - the last ACB plugin they made was the most recently released one - the Boss Effects Pedals. It was released about two months ago (edit: actually, my bad, I was going by the news items on Roland Cloud, and the one two months ago was just the recent update that added more ACB pedals - it was originally released last year.)

If you mean instruments, the last ACB one they released was the CR-78 - also two months ago.

So the answer to those questions is yes, and "about two months".

And yes, many of us would like to see more ACB synths...

Yeah I meant instruments, should have specified. But yes I also forgot about the CR-78 which is funny because I bought it!

[Jon at Roland]

For what reason? You think Roland are moving away from investing in the Roland Cloud service?

No, I don't think that. It's simple practicality. It's way cheaper to build sample packs and ZenCore expansions (ultimately also sample-based products), than to spend months or even over a year of R&D to do a proper ACB product.

Building new instruments, whether they be ACB, ZEN-Core, or something like EARTH Piano, are all very much a priority. There are other reasons why releasing Legendary Instruments has somewhat taken a backseat, but we do release new instruments. And most recently, we released the CR-78, as someone mentioned, which was our first ACB emulation in a while. So we still have them planned.

I don't know how often ACB Jupiter-6 was requested (probably a fair amount), but JX ACB series were requested as if it was the last drop of water in the friggin' desert, literally.

So it's odd to read there was some alleged "lack of mass demand" or "mass appeal", hence Roland's hesitation to proceed. There was no lack of mass demand or appeal. Whatsoever. Quite the opposite, and Roland reps can attest to that, as I'm sure they grew tired listening to it over the years.

People on the Roland Cloud team are very aware of what instruments are most requested, and lack of demand is not the reason why they haven't been released. JP-8000 is actually the most requested, followed by Jupiter-6, Super Jx, and JD-990. As I’ve mentioned too, sometimes other projects slow these releases down a little bit. The CR-78 was long overdue for a release. And practically speaking, better late than never. But I am always pushing for more focus on new instruments and upgrading instruments we have. Hopefully, I can share more in the future about how things work, but Roland likes to remain vague with their releases as you may already know.

[PAK]

As I’ve mentioned too, sometimes other projects slow these releases down a little bit. The CR-78 was long overdue for a release. And practically speaking, better late than never. But I am always pushing for more focus on new instruments and upgrading instruments we have. Hopefully, I can share more in the future about how things work, but Roland likes to remain vague with their releases as you may already know.

Jon, can you try to find out what happened to the VP-330 plugin? It was the only synth, from the hardware Boutique series (VP-03), which didn’t get a plugin release. Since the hardest bit (the modelling work) was completed, it seems a shame that it never saw the light on Roland Cloud?..

[SAGG]

Enough from the obfuscator and stonewaller, nobody's listening anymore. We've heard this same stuff for the last many years. Do we want more of the same narrative? Doubtful. I certainly don't. I've moved on to greener pastures.

Bottom line is, corporations only understand money. Money is the universal language.

OK then, so lets talk money. I've been waiting for eternity for RC JP-8000 or JP-8080 to drop, as we all have, ultimately Roland blinked and botched the delivery, Arturia didn't blink and finally delivered and cashed in big on single Jup-8000V purchases and V-Collection upgrades in particular. Oh did they rejoice collecting that cash! Me myself paid for that V-Collection upgrade and also sent them a big thank you note for ultimately modeling the bloody synth.

What Roland got in the meanwhile? Zilch. Except for looking funny while Arturia screwed them in the rear compartment.

Could that money be Roland's instead? Easily. Long darn years ago! But they botched it and now Roland is late to their own damn JP-8000 party, despite the obfuscator admitting RC customers requested RC JP-8000 more than anything else over the years. So why not give people what they want and want most? Instead RC customers were given what? CR-78. Terrific, guys. You're just ripping it to shreds there, you're so killing it.

And now other developers are catching up as well and more JP-8000 / JP-8080 stuff is on its way. These people will get paid, Roland gets what? Nada again. By the time RC version is released (and that's a big IF), the money will be spent on other things and with your never ever changing abysmal auth system taken into consideration, there may not be much of an interest left after the dust settles.

So impressive progress, fellas, so well done. In some other news, Cherry Audio took Jupiter-6 money when they released their model. XILS Lab did VP-330 too long ago to remember, they got that share. And don't even try to give me that "play RC, play authentic" Mark Agnesi Gibson style bullshit. There's plenty of synth developers outside RC bubble, who're doing an amazing job at these synths, just killing it and nailing it. Some of it, frankly, sounds superior to RC stuff and the difference is not minor, it's tangible.

Not much is left at this point. Lets just now simply wait when somebody beats you to that JX-8P / Super JX-10 game, takes your money again, leaves you looking funny. Will make my day! Needless to say, my money will immediately go towards the guy who will actually do it, instead of repeatedly telling me stories of past glories and giving me promises of yesterday. I don't need those. Nobody does. What we need is job done.

And we don't need Roland talking for another 10 years "how they might do it", "there might be a chance in the next 5 years", we heard enough of that. It takes so effin' long that some people waiting for it to happen could as well have passed away at this point. So just do it already. Or don't. And lose more customers and their money to other vendors. It's your call. And really should be your concern. You're Roland employees, after all. Or so I heard.

Cold hugs and kisses, sweethearts!

[N 4 LIFE]

Forgive my ignorance but don't all the other companies making clones of Roland gear need permission to do it?

[SAGG]

Forgive my ignorance but don't all the other companies making clones of Roland gear need permission to do it?

Only in case of something like D-50, with those samples and stuff.

That's why Eric Persing always had a cardiac arrest or close to it, once somebody tried to hustle D-50 Kontakt library, or D-50 samples with a GUI slapped on it, shenanigans like that.

[Septic Underground]

And we don't need Roland talking for another 10 years "how they might do it", "there might be a chance in the next 5 years", we heard enough of that. It takes so effin' long that some people waiting for it to happen could as well have passed away at this point. So just do it already. Or don't. And lose more customers and their money to other vendors. It's your call. And really should be your concern. You're Roland employees, after all. Or so I heard.

More than happy from the alts there are out there. TAL Audio, Arturia, TUS, XILS got me covered. For the romplers Korg and Omni3

I dont even load it in anymore, even if I have around 20 lifetime keys collected since being signed up from the start, cancelled when it became obvious it is a dead end, no resources put in the auth framework and the zillion of preset packs instead of an Alpha, R8-V, TR8s-V, SVC350 etc.

It certainly tainted my view on the brand as a whole, doubted on the TR1000, but with that latency shit and stating it must be masterclock, but not doing MTC out, wtf....they lost the plot.

[234north]

Bottom line is, corporations only understand money. Money is the universal language.

That's all they're supposed to understand. Create shareholder value. That means making money. If you think anything otherwise you're delusional.

[SAGG]

Did you even read the post, you delusional goof? How about your comprehension skills? 2 outta 10 on your best day?

I am talking money. I'm talking they are losing money to other vendors who are releasing most requested Roland synths instead of them and cashing in where Roland Cloud could and should have capitalized themselves.

And that happens while the company stonewaller admits all these synths are the most requested from RC customers. So people are telling them in clear language give us what we want, we're gonna pay you for it, yet the receiving end somehow fails to grasp. "Shareholder value" my ass. They give people CR-78 nonsense instead of what they really crave and would be most willing to part with their money in exchange of.

There is no way in hell Arturia should have beaten Roland to JP-8000 plugin and capitalized on that instead of Roland. It really doesn't make any sense. What's delusional is this actually happened. So no, somehow they don't get this "these are our synths, our legacy, lets make the most of it" part right at all.

With little effort you'd even understand some of this, however, your reading comprehension issues are not my problem, bubba. Go see a doc, let him examine if your brain is beyond saving, which is a probable cause of you doing you right now

[jamcat]

Maybe Roland just doesn’t care about software other than as product to generate subscriptions. Adding more JX or Jupiter models probably isn’t going to increase their subscriber base.

This is also why they won’t let you buy the BOSS Effects Pedals plugin.

[zvenx]

There is at least one great developer we know who is working on a jx-8p..
https://bsky.app/profile/tal-software.com
and I know I prefer his jupiter 8 to roland cloud's
I know I prefer his juno 60 than roland cloud's.
so I am hopeful.
rsp

For those interested, this synth that I spoke about here, has now been released.
https://tal-software.com/products/tal-j8x
rsp

[SAGG]

it's just one of those times I'd hate to say "I told you so", but...



"totally made my day!" is the most correct estimate, I think