Unisynth - Unison Audio new fascinating synth

[Zeisner]

Couldn't you just make one yourself faster than that?

You never learn how to program anything if you only use presets...

[wagtunes]

Couldn't you just make one yourself faster than that?

You never learn how to program anything if you only use presets...

I've been programming synths for close to 50 years buddy. Right now all I want to do is make music. My time is better spent than making presets.

[UltimiGiorniRecords]

I feel exactly the opposite. For me, the whole point of music — both in hardware and software — is programming patches.

I’ve spent years surrounded by cables in a constantly evolving eurorack setup, and experimentation is the only thing that keeps me engaged.

If I remove that, I’m not making music anymore — I’m just executing. And that’s the moment I’d probably stop altogether.

[wagtunes]

I feel exactly the opposite. For me, the whole point of music — both in hardware and software — is programming patches.

I’ve spent years surrounded by cables in a constantly evolving eurorack setup, and experimentation is the only thing that keeps me engaged.

If I remove that, I’m not making music anymore — I’m just executing. And that’s the moment I’d probably stop altogether.

Well, that's you. It's not me. I'm a writer. I don't need to make patches to write music. Doesn't make you right and me wrong. It just makes us different. So you do you and I'll do me.

[razornaut]

Serendipity of fat fingering.

A bit late in the chain, but serious respect to you for this comment. I love language and this made my evening. Cheers!

[Zeisner]

If I remove that, I’m not making music anymore — I’m just executing. And that’s the moment I’d probably stop altogether.

I feel the same. I spend so many years learning how to express feelings with sound design so I can push music a bit further. Being forced to rely on what AI considers "sad" or "aggressive" would be a nightmare. And then there's ambiguous and unnamed feelings and sensations as well, with both only possible if you do everything manually.

[wagtunes]

If I remove that, I’m not making music anymore — I’m just executing. And that’s the moment I’d probably stop altogether.

I feel the same. I spend so many years learning how to express feelings with sound design so I can push music a bit further. Being forced to rely on what AI considers "sad" or "aggressive" would be a nightmare. And then there's ambiguous and unnamed feelings and sensations as well, with both only possible if you do everything manually.

Glad that works for you. Me? I just want to write and record songs. And if this thing helps me do that faster, then it's a win-win.

[Trancit]

Having bought it to try out and asking for a refund atm...

The sound creation is that random that at the very end it´s nothing else than browsing through a bunch of presets... but these are sortable by yourself... the random sound creation in Unisynth is...random... imho not worth it...

[ghettosynth]

[billinder33]

The sound creation is that random that at the very end it´s nothing else than browsing through a bunch of presets... but these are sortable by yourself... the random sound creation in Unisynth is...random... imho not worth it...

I was getting this impression from the videos. Was wondering if randomizing in Unisynth was better than preset browsing in Nexus 5, but you basically affirmed my suspicions about it. As someone mentioned upstream in this thread, you can use most sounds for most generas so not sure this is a better mousetrap than having a huge preset bank with proper tagging.

Not sure why everyone's flipping out about the 'AI' aspect. Seems like just a very fancy randomizer, in front of a highly capable synth. I wasn't all that impressed by the sounds (very 'Pigments-ish''?), but considering that there's no curation happening by professional designers, it's probably fine in practice. I deep-tweak or enhance pretty much ever preset I use in Nexus anyhow.

Still pretty cool though. I could see this being a time saver vs grinding through a poorly tagged and ordered present bank. Unison's shady reputation aside, if I didn't already have a big investment into Nexus, I might be inclined to go for this. Especially at the $100 price point. I've seen a tons of far less interesting, capable synths hit the market in recent years. And many of those were much more expensive.

[Zeisner]

the random sound creation in Unisynth is...random... imho not worth it...

That's an inherent problem of machine learning. You need ridiculous amounts of training data, processing power and complex model finetuning to reduce the randomness to a reasonable level. Classic algorithms would be a better choice because they offer seed control.

[mambo888]

What the fcuk is this? Either AI or someone invented something worse than AI.

[Zeisner]

What the fcuk is this? Either AI or someone invented something worse than AI.

That's what you get if you give dumb deaf people broken technology to play around with.

[Trancit]

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Not sure why everyone's flipping out about the 'AI' aspect. Seems like just a very fancy randomizer, in front of a highly capable synth. I wasn't all that impressed by the sounds (very 'Pigments-ish''?), but considering that there's no curation happening by professional designers, it's probably fine in practice. I deep-tweak or enhance pretty much ever preset I use in Nexus anyhow.
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That's an inherent problem of machine learning. You need ridiculous amounts of training data, processing power and complex model finetuning to reduce the randomness to a reasonable level. Classic algorithms would be a better choice because they offer seed control.

First of all I think too that has not much to do with any "AI" ... it´s a preset/module randomizer with very very random results ...period...

Secondly and because of being just a randomizer and not being intelligent at all, it heavily lacks of user influence what gets randomized and how much...
If you´ve got a created preset which is close but could be better there is apart from manual adjusting no way to tell the alledged AI: Close to what I want, but give me some variations for the same kind of sound without drifting apart too much...
But every "randomizer" you´ve got in there gives you mostly just a complete different result no matter if you randomize the whole preset or just single modules... results aren´t connected at all...

If it gives you first a filtered warm bass which you kind of like but perhaps a bit more in one or the other direction would be nice and you randomize i.e. the filter to get a fresh result it´s suddenly jumping from warm filtering to open heavy buzzing...

You must be really lucky or aren´t picky at all when it comes to sounds to get more out of that synth than getting from a decent preset pack with a bit of user interaction...

So for me, it´s the typical Unison company advertising ... this is the best, the easiest, the one and only tool which raises your performance from 20% to 150%...

[ghettosynth]

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Not sure why everyone's flipping out about the 'AI' aspect. Seems like just a very fancy randomizer, in front of a highly capable synth. I wasn't all that impressed by the sounds (very 'Pigments-ish''?), but considering that there's no curation happening by professional designers, it's probably fine in practice. I deep-tweak or enhance pretty much ever preset I use in Nexus anyhow.
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That's an inherent problem of machine learning. You need ridiculous amounts of training data, processing power and complex model finetuning to reduce the randomness to a reasonable level. Classic algorithms would be a better choice because they offer seed control.

First of all I think too that has not much to do with any "AI" ... it´s a preset/module randomizer with very very random results ...period...

Well, yes, but, careful there, for, there is but one true way. The machine guides us to the seed.