Patrick's new baby... TAL- J-8X

[zvenx]

Yes everybody wants everything, take it up with Patrick.
I am glad I am not him.
rsp

[jamcat]

Well he made some choices in order to please a few people at the expense of a pure JX-8P emulation, which I think is what more people want. He didn't have to do that. He could have just added an option in the preferences.

[zvenx]

He made choices to make the best version of the jx-8p he could.

Look at softube, who make the exact things with all the limitations (well except the model 77) and people complain all the time about that.

And mind you this synth is $69 not a $199 synth..
I am so glad I am not Patrick.
rsp

[audiojunkie]

You can try, but he choose that chorus deliberately as it was an interpolation between the jx and the mks70...

An earlier build had the JX Chorus, a sound designer said it didn't sound like the chorus in his Super JX.. they found out that the JX10 and J8-XP had different choruses, and their consensus was the jx10 was nicer..so he compromised and did one that was in between.
so I am not sure he would be willing to change it..but you can try.
For me it is fine... the JX chorus is a lot noisier I think I was told.
rsp

It makes me think that his plans are to use the chorus for a new JX plugin, and save the work of building a new chorus by interpolating the two. If you think about it, with this information, you really could just use two instances of jx8 and have an approximation of both synths--could that possibly be his plan? Incorporate a dual jx8 plugin with a single patch/preset, without needing to do any additional engine work?

[jamcat]

Look at softube, who make the exact things with all the limitations

I don't have any from Softube, but perhaps I will have to look into them.

[zvenx]

...
It makes me think that his plans are to use the chorus for a new JX plugin, and save the work of building a new chorus by interpolating the two. If you think about it, with this information, you really could just use two instances of jx8 and have an approximation of both synths--could that possibly be his plan? Incorporate a dual jx8 plugin with a single patch/preset, without needing to do any additional engine work?

MAybe...
My educated guess is he just tried to 'improve' the chorus to be more like the jx-10 without straying too far from the jx-8p one..
that would be my guess.
rsp

[zvenx]

Look at softube, who make the exact things with all the limitations

I don't have any from Softube, but perhaps I will have to look into them.

To be clear, they don't have a JX-8P emulation yet.
Just a:
MiniMoog
Prophet 5
Juno 106
Cs-50/60/80 ish
and
a Roland SH-101

currently.

rsp

[beely]

I'm perfectly happy with the plugin as it is now. I'm sure he'll do tweaks and stuff as we go, but it's perfectly fine sounding and close enough in emulation accuracy for my needs. And I can fake a perfectly fine JX10 with two of them, so I'm all good here to replace the old Intel-only AU PG8X plugin I've had...

I generally prefer UI's that are more authentic to (but not necessarily a perfect copy of) the original as that is part of the experience, but it's not a deal breaker at all. Also, the plugin is super well priced... what's not to like!

[Korg Supporter]

Look at softube, who make the exact things with all the limitations

I don't have any from Softube, but perhaps I will have to look into them.

To be clear, they don't have a JX-8P emulation yet.
Just a:
MiniMoog
Prophet 5
Juno 106
Cs-50/60/80 ish
and
a Roland SH-101

currently.

rsp

I want both TAL and Softube to do JX-3P next. I predict Softube's version will be Model 83, and TAL's version will be TAL-J3X. Otherwise, I think TAL should work on wavetable or additive synthesis. I recently requested some features for TAL-MOD 2.0, including wavetable synthesis, and Patrick felt that they made sense.

[strangeflange]

Patrick found JX-10 chorus to be superior, really? Maybe on Mars JX-10 chorus is superior. On planet Earth it's surely not.

I don't know what they tested, but there is no way JX-10 chorus sounded better than JX-8P (far from it, actually), regardless if the latter's noisier or not. That was actually one of two major, fatal downgrades of JX-10, that Roland went with subpar budget chorus instead of rich, lush and expensive of JX-8P's.

So, except for if they tested some modified chorus on that Super JX or JX-8P chorus was a faulty one, anyway, a normal stock JX-10 chorus sounding better than a normal stock JX-8P is fairy tales, that's not real life. That's not how Super JX history went down.

So why Patrick would be going in the same wrong direction as Roland went in 1986, making compromises and shortcuts like that? Those kind of "middle-of-the-road" decisions didn't work out great for Super JX.

It's one thing to get rid of the excessive noise floor, Audiority does that with their vintage FX all the time, but changing chorus design entirely, making up some kind of a new "middle ground" chorus on the fly, a personal idea of how JX-8P chorus "should sound". Well, you can do it, ofc, but don't get all surprised if the questioning follows. It's only logical.

And then the personal take on the unison modes. This is going sideways now.

I implied his responsiblity was to model his JX-8P Rev 2 unit to the best of his ability, and it's unfortunate to learn about these unwarranted personal changes without providing customers with the stock factory options. Make all the changes you want, by all means, you as a developer can and should have your own creative ideas, but offer them as optionals and leave the original foundation intact. Fair enough, I think.

It's beginning to deviate too much from the OG and that is obviously arguable, that's not surprising, so customers are perfectly in the right to take it up with Patrick, no cuddling and overprotection required. He's not a baby, after all.

However, he's not on KVR, it seems, except for his helicopter parent figure, so emails are advised.

[strangeflange]

Say what now? Patrick found JX-10 chorus to be superior, really? Maybe on Mars JX-10 chorus is superior. On planet Earth it's surely not.

I don't know what they tested, but there is no way JX-10 chorus sounded better than JX-8P's (far from it, actually), regardless if the latter's noisier or not. That was actually one of two major, fatal downgrades of JX-10, that Roland went with subpar budget chorus instead of rich, lush and expensive of JX-8P's.

So, except for if they tested some modified chorus on that Super JX or JX-8P chorus was a faulty one, anyway, a normal stock JX-10 chorus sounding better than a normal stock JX-8P is fairy tales, that's not real life. That's not how Super JX history went down.

So why Patrick would be going in the same wrong direction as Roland went in 1986, making compromises and shortcuts like that? Those kind of "middle-of-the-road" decisions didn't work out great for Super JX.

It's one thing to get rid of the excessive noise floor, Audiority does that with their vintage FX all the time, but changing chorus design entirely, making up some kind of a new "middle ground" chorus on the fly, a personal idea of how JX-8P chorus "should sound". Well, you can do it, ofc, but don't get all surprised if the questioning follows. It's only logical.

And then the personal take on the unison modes. This is going sideways now.

I implied his responsiblity was to model his JX-8P Rev 2 unit to the best of his ability, and it's unfortunate to learn about these unwarranted personal changes without providing customers with the stock factory options. Make all the changes you want, by all means, you as a developer can and should have your own creative ideas, but offer them as optionals and leave the original foundation intact. Fair enough, I think.

It's beginning to deviate too much from the OG and that is obviously arguable, that's not surprising, so customers are perfectly in the right to take it up with Patrick, no cuddling and overprotection required. He's not a baby, after all.

However, he's not on KVR, it seems, except for his unpaid and uncalled helicopter parent figure, so emails are advised.

[audiojunkie]

Look at softube, who make the exact things with all the limitations

I don't have any from Softube, but perhaps I will have to look into them.

To be clear, they don't have a JX-8P emulation yet.
Just a:
MiniMoog
Prophet 5
Juno 106
Cs-50/60/80 ish
and
a Roland SH-101

currently.

rsp

I want both TAL and Softube to do JX-3P next. I predict Softube's version will be Model 83, and TAL's version will be TAL-J3X. Otherwise, I think TAL should work on wavetable or additive synthesis. I recently requested some features for TAL-MOD 2.0, including wavetable synthesis, and Patrick felt that they made sense.

I predict that the JX10 will be next, and it will come quickly.

[Korg Supporter]

Look at softube, who make the exact things with all the limitations

I don't have any from Softube, but perhaps I will have to look into them.

To be clear, they don't have a JX-8P emulation yet.
Just a:
MiniMoog
Prophet 5
Juno 106
Cs-50/60/80 ish
and
a Roland SH-101

currently.

rsp

I want both TAL and Softube to do JX-3P next. I predict Softube's version will be Model 83, and TAL's version will be TAL-J3X. Otherwise, I think TAL should work on wavetable or additive synthesis. I recently requested some features for TAL-MOD 2.0, including wavetable synthesis, and Patrick felt that they made sense.

I predict that the JX10 will be next, and it will come quickly.

You're probably right, but when I emailed Patrick about future synths and emulations, he confirmed having a JX-3P in his studio before privately informing me about the JX-8P emulation.

[audiojunkie]

Look at softube, who make the exact things with all the limitations

I don't have any from Softube, but perhaps I will have to look into them.

To be clear, they don't have a JX-8P emulation yet.
Just a:
MiniMoog
Prophet 5
Juno 106
Cs-50/60/80 ish
and
a Roland SH-101

currently.

rsp

I want both TAL and Softube to do JX-3P next. I predict Softube's version will be Model 83, and TAL's version will be TAL-J3X. Otherwise, I think TAL should work on wavetable or additive synthesis. I recently requested some features for TAL-MOD 2.0, including wavetable synthesis, and Patrick felt that they made sense.

I predict that the JX10 will be next, and it will come quickly.

You're probably right, but when I emailed Patrick about future synths and emulations, he confirmed having a JX-3P in his studio before privately informing me about the JX-8P emulation.

I wouldn't mind a JX-3P.

[jamcat]

I wouldn’t mind a truly accurate JX-8P