Future of Windows in pro audio

[Tiles]

And once again you’re mixing up different types of claims here.

A single counterexample disproves a universal statement in mathematics. That’s correct. But that only applies if the claim is “this is impossible” or “this never happens”.

That’s not the claim being made.

The argument is about cost, complexity, and scalability across different classes of software. If it were as straightforward as you suggest, we wouldn’t be having this discussion about why Ableton doesn’t support Linux in the first place.

This isn’t a binary statement, it’s a spectrum. Individual examples don’t disprove that, they just show where on that spectrum certain products fall.

Calling this “anecdotal” misses the point as well. This isn’t about personal experience, it’s about structural differences in system integration, real time constraints, QA surface, and support overhead. I’m simply in a position where I deal with these constraints directly.

The factors you listed actually reinforce that:

“relatively easy” → exactly the point about varying complexity
“economic motivation” → exactly the point about cost/benefit
“willingness” → that’s just another way of describing prioritization under constraints

None of that contradicts the argument. It describes the same model from a different angle.

So no, individual ports don’t disprove the point. They illustrate it.

At this point, your framing doesn’t match how things work in practice. And practice is the benchmark any theory has to hold up against, which is why we’re going in circles here.

[lunardigs]

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[ampetrosillo]

This last comment was, in fact, very AI-ish. Handwavey as AI is wont to do.

[Tiles]

Yes i use AI to polish my text. That's no secret. Since terms like dickhead and clueless moron does not belong into a forum conversation. And AI helps me to stay civil and with a readable english. It is also a fact check. The vital part is the information and arguments. Which comes from me.

[Tiles]

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QED

[audiojunkie]

This last comment was, in fact, very AI-ish. Handwavey as AI is wont to do.

Agreed. I've started not responding back to him at all. I definitely don't care about what he has to say. I only wish KVR had a way to not show quoted text from the users we've muted if we've muted them. (Not counting what you posted, @Lunardigs, because what you posted proves a good point.) Then I wouldn't have to see any of the comments at all.

[Tiles]

If you’re not interested in engaging with the points, that’s fine. The arguments still stand on their own.

[ampetrosillo]

But the thing is.

We say "Reaper is a good DAW", or "Bitwig is a good DAW" (I won't even mention Ardour despite being, again, a good DAW) but to you, it is not good enough. For Linux to be even in the conversation when talking about audio production, only the combination of Ableton, Cubase and ProTools matters to you. But I'm not convinced. Linux manages to achieve something like 3-4% of the user share, apparently. Let's even halve that, or more. 1-2%. It follows that it should aspire to, say, 1-2% at most of the musician population. (I say at most because most Linux users are technical). Having five DAWs (Ardour, Bitwig, Reaper, Studio Pro, Tracktion, of which at least Bitwig can be considered to have the polish you expect from a commercial offering on any platform anywhere) on such a small platform, to me, is already an impressive achievement. And things can only grow. You gotta start somewhere.

[audiojunkie]

But the thing is.

We say "Reaper is a good DAW", or "Bitwig is a good DAW" (I won't even mention Ardour despite being, again, a good DAW) but to you, it is not good enough. For Linux to be even in the conversation when talking about audio production, only the combination of Ableton, Cubase and ProTools matters to you. But I'm not convinced. Linux manages to achieve something like 3-4% of the user share, apparently. Let's even halve that, or more. 1-2%. It follows that it should aspire to, say, 1-2% at most of the musician population. (I say at most because most Linux users are technical). Having five DAWs (Ardour, Bitwig, Reaper, Studio Pro, Tracktion, of which at least Bitwig can be considered to have the polish you expect from a commercial offering on any platform anywhere) on such a small platform, to me, is already an impressive achievement. And things can only grow. You gotta start somewhere.

For fun, I did what Tiles would do. I copy/pasted your comment into an AI and asked it to refute your message in a condescending tone. What's funny, is that Tiles doesn't even need to be around to make him speak. He's like a sock puppet!

Here's AI's refutation just for fun:

Let’s slow this down a bit, because you’re stacking a lot of assumptions and hoping nobody notices.
First, nobody said Reaper, Bitwig, or Ardour “aren’t good enough.” What’s being challenged is the leap from “these DAWs exist and work” to “Linux is meaningfully competitive for professional audio.” Those are not the same claim, no matter how much you’d like them to be.
Second, the market‑share argument simply doesn’t do the work you think it does.
“Linux has 1–2% of musicians, therefore it should only need 1–2%‑quality tooling” is not how ecosystems work. Professionals don’t pick platforms by proportional representation; they pick the platforms that remove friction, integrate with the rest of the industry, and are supported by vendors, studios, collaborators, hardware manufacturers, and clients. Ableton, Cubase, and Pro Tools matter not because they’re fashionable, but because they are the lingua franca of commercial music production. Denying that is not radical—it’s naïve.
Third, listing the number of Linux DAWs as an achievement is… generous. Five DAWs on a platform doesn’t tell us anything about:

third‑party plugin availability,
industry-standard session interchange,
hardware driver support,
post‑production workflows,
or outside‑the‑bubble collaboration.

Quantity of DAWs is irrelevant if each one lives in a partial ecosystem. Fragmentation isn’t strength; it’s overhead. Professionals optimize for reduced cognitive load and predictable outcomes, not ideological diversity.
Fourth, calling Bitwig “polished enough to meet expectations on any platform anywhere” quietly undermines the rest of your argument. Bitwig succeeds precisely because it doesn’t behave like a typical Linux project: it’s commercially driven, tightly scoped, and largely insulated from Linux’s usual audio stack chaos. If Bitwig is your flagship example, you’re conceding the point—not refuting it.
Finally, “you gotta start somewhere” is not an argument; it’s a consolation prize. Linux has been “starting somewhere” in pro audio for over two decades. At some point, continued appeals to potential stop sounding optimistic and start sounding evasive.
So yes—Linux audio tools are impressive given their constraints.
No—that doesn’t make Linux a peer competitor to platforms anchored by Ableton, Cubase, and Pro Tools.
And pretending those two statements are equivalent is wishful thinking dressed up as realism.
If the goal is enthusiasm, say enthusiasm.
If the goal is professional parity, then the bar is higher—whether that’s comfortable to admit or not.

[VariKusBrainZ]

I want everything refuted by AI Leanard Nimoy please

[lunardigs]

This last comment was, in fact, very AI-ish. Handwavey as AI is wont to do.

Agreed. I've started not responding back to him at all. I definitely don't care about what he has to say. I only wish KVR had a way to not show quoted text from the users we've muted if we've muted them. (Not counting what you posted, @Lunardigs, because what you posted proves a good point.) Then I wouldn't have to see any of the comments at all.

He's terrible ...
Why would anyone want to talk/argue with a guy responding with massive blocks of AI generated text?

[audiojunkie]

I want everything refuted by AI Leanard Nimoy please

That's illogical.

[VariKusBrainZ]

AI voice damnit !!

[BertKoor]

> massive blocks of AI generated text?

Too long? Don't read!!

[ampetrosillo]

I want everything refuted by AI Leanard Nimoy please

There you go:

Fascinating. Your argument contains a number of premises that, while intuitively appealing, do not withstand rigorous examination.

First, you conflate *presence* with *adequacy*. The assertion that Linux “achieves 1–2% market share, therefore it need only satisfy 1–2% of musicians” is not logically sound. Market share is not a natural law—it is an outcome shaped by tooling, compatibility, and professional expectations. By your reasoning, one could argue that because Pro Tools dominates high-end studios, alternative platforms need not strive for parity. Yet professionals select tools based on reliability, ecosystem integration, and industry standards—not proportional representation.

Second, your premise assumes that the needs of “1–2% of musicians” are inherently lesser. This is… illogical. A minority of users may still require full compatibility with collaborators, standardized session formats, and access to widely used plugins. A composer using Ableton Live or Cubase does not reduce their expectations simply because they operate within a smaller demographic. Requirements do not scale down with market share.

Third, you present the number of DAWs—REAPER, Bitwig Studio, Ardour, and others—as evidence of sufficiency. Quantity, however, is not equivalent to ecosystem completeness. The critical variable is not how many DAWs exist, but whether they integrate with industry-standard workflows: plugin formats, hardware drivers, session interchange, and support infrastructure. A system with five partially compatible solutions may still be less viable than one with fewer but universally adopted tools.

Fourth, you suggest that “things can only grow.” This is an optimistic projection, not a conclusion. Growth is contingent upon resolving the very limitations under discussion—plugin availability, driver consistency, and cross-platform collaboration. Without addressing these, growth may plateau rather than accelerate.

Finally, your argument contains an implicit assumption: that Linux is being judged unfairly against entrenched platforms. A more precise interpretation is that it is being evaluated against *use-case requirements*. If the requirement is hobbyist production, Linux may already suffice. If the requirement is seamless collaboration with industry-standard studios, the gap remains measurable.

In summary: Linux audio is not dismissed because it lacks *effort* or *potential*. It is evaluated based on whether it meets the same operational criteria as dominant ecosystems. At present, the discrepancy lies not in the number of DAWs, but in the surrounding infrastructure.

Your conclusion—that Linux’s current state is “impressive”—is reasonable. Your implication—that this suffices for parity—is… not.