Augmented Persia

[thievedletter]

Arturia has given up on being a real developer.

What does that even mean? Makes no sense.

"I don't like a thing, so I define what you are!"

[thievedletter]

We're only on page 3 after 16 hours on release day, because there isn't even enough interest for people to bother. We've largely given up on Arturia as a developer, just like Arturia has largely given up on being a developer. The last TAL release was on page 15 by this time, after hitting page 3 in less than 2 hours of release. It's quite unlikely this thread will ever reach 15 pages.

This is the most insane argument I've ever read.
Success is measured in KVR forum pages? Really? Do you have any sales figures to back that up?

They just released the new FX Collection, with several new offerings... They released an updated SEM this year... When exactly do they cross the threshold of your walled garden of real developers?

People here also seem to forget there are new customers in the market everyday. You might have 20+ years of buying plugins, so gee maybe everything won't be for you, or you'll have other options already. Someone else only beginning, might have different needs than you. Shocking I know.

[thievedletter]

When was the last time they released something people actually wanted?

When was the last vote that made your personal tastes representative of all "people"?

Incredibly arrogant.

[bermudagold]

So, where in any of these interfaces do you find the oscillators?

right there in front of ur face...the A/B paradigm are symbolic oscillators...look at that hybrid keys image...what is in oscillator A?...a synth...A and B are just abstractions to call kontakt groups...any kontakt group can be mapped to any source module...kontakt source modules are;
1. Sampler
2. DFD
3. Tone Machines 1-3...in NI's own words "granular synthesis algorithms, with tremendous potential for creative sound design, as well as lots of utilitarian applications."
4. Beat Machine
5. Wavetable...in NI's own words "Wavetable synthesis offers a wide range of sounds that can be explored in a dynamic and flexible way. From recreations of acoustic instruments to various synthesis techniques, the wavetable module allows you to expand the tones and timbres of your sound.
6. S1200 Machine
7. MP60 Machine

just click classic view then edit mode and edit the A/B groups...kontakt is a hybrid synth...most modern kontakt instruments are hybrid synths...most NI Play series come with on average 40 wavetables...any kontakt instrument can be turned into an "augmented" instrument...add 2 new groups, map 1 to a time machine source module, 1 to a wavetable module, resample the pcm group, and drop the sample into the new groups...edit and mix to taste

People are just too lazy to read a manual and irrationally intimidated by a utilitarian IDE (that ALL creative power tools have gotten by with just fine for decades by the way) instead of a video game GUI...so NI have given you what u want...output led the way with simplified playful dashboards that kept you in the sweet spot where you'd have to try hard to make something sound bad and were a hit...everyone has copied that motif ever since...that's what NI Play series is...as did uvi, steinberg, arturia, and even melda with their instruments based on their workstation...encouraging this apathy has been incentivized by an additional benefit for developers to more easily sell new instruments...this is why spectrasonics hasn't fully opened up and arturia want to distance augmented from pigments...at least melda and UVI are relatively transparent about it...as they should be...workstation owners should be able to use the expansion content in their own creations

[JasonSpatola]

Arturia has given up on being a real developer.

What does that even mean? Makes no sense.

"I don't like a thing, so I define what you are!"

In his defense, he is a cat. You know how cats be.

[ReiKru]

i hope there will become Augmented Wattenscheid

[AgileAI]

It beats arguing about discounts!
Now its creative IDE power tools (Marketing just joined the scrum) and integrity of developers, who are this centuries poet apparently.

[Ou_Tis]

Just get some samples from Strezov Sampling and be done with it. Arabian Ethnic Orchestra is like half off right now. Arturia is going the way of NI unfortunately.

Iranians are not Arabs, and while Strezov's "Arabian Ethnic Orchestra" does include Iranian ney, it's lacking tar, kamancheh, and shah kaman. All of which Augmented Persia includes.

But you also know that the point of the Augmented series isn't to have the most deep-sampled realistic virtual recreations of the acoustic instruments in question. It's in the blend of samples with synthesis. (And I do wish we could easily access the samples in Pigments...)

Perhaps they should have called it Augmented Iran.

[BBFG#]

But you also know that the point of the Augmented series isn't to have the most deep-sampled realistic virtual recreations of the acoustic instruments in question. It's in the blend of samples with synthesis. (And I do wish we could easily access the samples in Pigments...)

Perhaps they should have called it Augmented Iran.

Or Augmented Middle East.

[Paasi]

So, where in any of these interfaces do you find the oscillators?

right there in front of ur face...the A/B paradigm are symbolic oscillators...look at that hybrid keys image...what is in oscillator A?...a synth...A and B are just abstractions to call kontakt groups...any kontakt group can be mapped to any source module...kontakt source modules are;
1. Sampler
2. DFD
3. Tone Machines 1-3...in NI's own words "granular synthesis algorithms, with tremendous potential for creative sound design, as well as lots of utilitarian applications."
4. Beat Machine
5. Wavetable...in NI's own words "Wavetable synthesis offers a wide range of sounds that can be explored in a dynamic and flexible way. From recreations of acoustic instruments to various synthesis techniques, the wavetable module allows you to expand the tones and timbres of your sound.
6. S1200 Machine
7. MP60 Machine

just click classic view then edit mode and edit the A/B groups...kontakt is a hybrid synth...most modern kontakt instruments are hybrid synths...most NI Play series come with on average 40 wavetables...any kontakt instrument can be turned into an "augmented" instrument...add 2 new groups, map 1 to a time machine source module, 1 to a wavetable module, resample the pcm group, and drop the sample into the new groups...edit and mix to taste

People are just too lazy to read a manual and irrationally intimidated by a utilitarian IDE (that ALL creative power tools have gotten by with just fine for decades by the way) instead of a video game GUI...so NI have given you what u want...output led the way with simplified playful dashboards that kept you in the sweet spot where you'd have to try hard to make something sound bad and were a hit...everyone has copied that motif ever since...that's what NI Play series is...as did uvi, steinberg, arturia, and even melda with their instruments based on their workstation...encouraging this apathy has been incentivized by an additional benefit for developers to more easily sell new instruments...this is why spectrasonics hasn't fully opened up and arturia want to distance augmented from pigments...at least melda and UVI are relatively transparent about it...as they should be...workstation owners should be able to use the expansion content in their own creations

In principle I agree with you, but to be honest, the Kontakt source modules you mentioned above may looks impressive as listed, but still it doesn’t produce any sound without a sample or a wavetable. I think DFD is not even a source module. It’s a mode that allows for fast loading of samples from the hard drive. Overall, we are not talking about a real hybrid compared to Halion 7 for example. As a synth, Kontakt does not compete with Pigments, which is presumably to some extent behind the Augmented series.

But as I said, I agree that you can do a lot with Kontakt and it’s not always worth buying new plugins, but rather learn to use what you already have. I also agree the preference to use Arturia’s samples between Augmented engines or that they should just sell them as expansions for Pigments or for just one Augmented engine.

By the way, I think that at some point NI removed the ability to use edit mode with newer libraries. This happened a while ago.

[aMUSEd]

I like it. Hope they do India or Indonesia next

[jamcat]

They just released the new FX Collection, with several new offerings... They released an updated SEM this year... When exactly do they cross the threshold of your walled garden of real developers?

Their output has been scaled back considerably in recent years. They are now mostly relying on recycled assets, like the Pigments engine, and largely avoiding the more challenging TAE modeling that they built their brand on. Most of the new effects you’re talking about have not been TAE hardware models. This past Christmas they failed to release a new plugin freebie for the first time in nearly a decade, and the year before it was just an existing light version of an Augmented instrument.

There is just an all around retreat from the sort of analogue modeled plugins most people came to expect in V Collection. This is probably the result of a shrinking plugin market meeting oversaturation. Either way, the future for a vibrant V Collection as we had known it isn’t looking great. You can try to pretend that I’m the only one who has noticed, but I’m not. Most people who used to have interest in Arturia plugins just don’t even bother to show up for Arturia threads anymore.

I think Arturia also missed an opportunity to compete with Kontakt as NI collapses, with an expandable sampling/synthesis hybrid instrument, where the Augmented instruments would be libraries rather than standalone instruments awkwardly shoehorned into V Collection where they don’t belong.

[BBFG#]

"Scaling back" tends to happen when most of the past emulations have been done. It's hopefully more about improving those then, which they seem to be doing. Albeit not in the time frame some demand it to be.

And I'm a big plus one for the Augments line to be in a single interface product.
Also believe it's just generally unwise to name and tie anything to a single country, past or present. Regardless of where they originate, let the instrument stand on its own.

[Morty-C-137]

Yeah the world really needs more vintage synth emulations I think Arturia wants to do more than just that. As stated above: at a certain point almost all emulations anyone would even want or even know about (those generations are fading) has been done..

[danielh02]

I just want sample import for the MiniFreak...