DAC - the example of Korg Trinity VST

[rafa1981]

Should an emulation emulate the brand new out of the box device sounding as the manufacturer intended or one of the million ways an analog path can degrade with age?

Degrade with age. I tend to prefer my hardware when the caps are getting old and drifting is frequent, it gives uniqueness that I don't find into VST yet (a bit from Acustica Audio though). And that's actually a problem, when to recap because the PCB is in danger, when not to

But with aging happening in a timespan of decades, how are you able to discard confirmation bias?

I mean, I have been coding some audio plugins and at times I was favouring some configurations thinking I was hearing stuff, then prepared blind tests and showed myself I was hearing what I wanted to hear. It happens to all of us.

[Seluvis]

I mean, I have been coding some audio plugins and at times I was favouring some configurations thinking I was hearing stuff, then prepared blind tests and showed myself I was hearing what I wanted to hear. It happens to all of us.

Confirmation bias?
It is possible that every test that you conducted threw away valuable data by your own admission when you mentioned blind testing. You are throwing away a main sense.
The data we discard could obviously hold the key?

[Deisss]

But with aging happening in a timespan of decades, how are you able to discard confirmation bias?

I mean, I have been coding some audio plugins and at times I was favouring some configurations thinking I was hearing stuff, then prepared blind tests and showed myself I was hearing what I wanted to hear. It happens to all of us.

Well I sometimes repair some machines for friend, so I've got many situations to have the same synth in several conditions at the same time.

VA of course do not matter here, VA is digital, if it sounds different, it's broken, not aging.
For example, recapping a JP-8080 is done usually when the output volume is becoming low, it's not a better sound, or a different sound, just and audio output completely dying. At best, you will have more noise floor in your recording due to this.

As for analog, I've seen major differences, like presets not interchangeable between machines (sound badly detuned on one, perfect on the other machine for ex.), after recapping they are back to be interchangeable. Things so obvious than even talking about a bias doesn't make sense...

[rafa1981]

Ok, I see. We agree then. My post was about the analog path of digital synths, like e.g. the Korg Trinity that gives title to this thread.

[rafa1981]

Confirmation bias?
It is possible that every test that you conducted threw away valuable data by your own admission when you mentioned blind testing. You are throwing away a main sense.
The data we discard could obviously hold the key?

I'm not sure I'm following.

[Seluvis]

I'm not sure I'm following.

No worries.
No bad feelings. All good.

[IvyBirds]

I mean, I have been coding some audio plugins and at times I was favouring some configurations thinking I was hearing stuff, then prepared blind tests and showed myself I was hearing what I wanted to hear. It happens to all of us.

Confirmation bias?
It is possible that every test that you conducted threw away valuable data by your own admission when you mentioned blind testing. You are throwing away a main sense.
The data we discard could obviously hold the key?

Says the guy who's confirmation bias is off the charts and thinks 35 year old op amps can't ever degrade for any reason and are bullet proof

[Seluvis]

I mean, I have been coding some audio plugins and at times I was favouring some configurations thinking I was hearing stuff, then prepared blind tests and showed myself I was hearing what I wanted to hear. It happens to all of us.

Confirmation bias?
It is possible that every test that you conducted threw away valuable data by your own admission when you mentioned blind testing. You are throwing away a main sense.
The data we discard could obviously hold the key?

Says the guy who's confirmation bias is off the charts and thinks 35 year old op amps can't ever degrade for any reason and are bullet proof

To be transparent I wasn't the guy who thought that 35 year old op amps can't ever degrade for any reason and are bullet proof.
Saw my name mentioned. That's all.

[mutagen]

Should an emulation emulate the brand new out of the box device sounding as the manufacturer intended or one of the million ways an analog path can degrade with age?

How about emulating my hearing loss from too many loud shows?

Seriously, though, isn't there a virtual instrument that has an age knob? If not, someone should vibe up a failing capacitor, 50/60 Hz hum, abused op-amp, crunchy DAC, buzzing transformer, gnarly groundloop plugin. Maybe Korneff can add all that to their April Fools plugin and start selling it.

[VariKusBrainZ]

These plugins already exist and would come under the Lo Fi category. Easy enough to create your own dirtifier

[mcbpete]

Seriously, though, isn't there a virtual instrument that has an age knob? If not, someone should vibe up a failing capacitor

Seem to remember one of JatinChowdhury's non-linearities collection doing exactly that - https://github.com/jatinchowdhury18/Com ... inearities (downloads in the 'bin' folder near the top of the page)

[whassup]

Check Airwindows Consolidated. Start with the LoFi category.

[frag]

Let me give you a piece of advice - something your friends and parents won't tell you (I suppose they're afraid of you).

You're in the wrong business.
Your hearing seems to be damaged, or at least not up to musical standards. You don't understand music.
You're trying to attract attention by posting tons of messages on internet "oh let me say something opposite, I will look smart".

Figure out what you REALLY want to do in life, it's never too late
You may not understand this at the moment, but in time, you will see this is the best and most generous advice anyone has ever given to you...

It seems not only "EvilDragon" took my advice, but other users as well.

[EvilDragon]

I'm not taking any advice from the likes of you, because it is quite apparent you've got no clue what you're talking about most of the time here.