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[D-Fusion]

How much is the BOSS Effects Pedals plugin on sale for?

Not for sale atm. and i am sure you won't like the price if they decide to sell them.
They do have the Vintage FX collection that can be yours for only $500 (JUNO-60 Chorus, JC-120 Jazz Chorus, and RE-201 Space Echo).

https://www.jrrshop.com/roland-vintage- ... e-key.html

[IvyBirds]

Still rather confused by Zenology Pro - is it basically a semi modular synth built from models of their older synths and filters (and fx)? (bit like a Roland Diva?) So could you recreate something like a D-50 with it? Does it have elements of the V-Synth?

It's just a synth with four Oscillators. It's not really semi modular at all, it has a fixed architecture.

Each Oscillator can play back a sample or modeled VA waves from various Roland Synths and run that though various filters, most of them modeled from various Roland Synths

The confusing part is Roland sells many different Zenology packages, and expansions. That give you extra presets, waveforms, filters, effects, and samples and in the case of the model expansions a skin that makes it look like you

But all these are really doing is just adding things to the existing four oscillators or different filter models, and in the case of the model expansions if you use the skins, strip down your options to whatever is available in the synth model, for example use the skin from the Juno expansion and it will turn off three of the oscillators, default to just the Juno filter, and the only effect will be the chorus

The power of Zenology pro comes from the sound design options you would get if you own everything as you can mix and match VA waveforms, with samples and run them through various filters. The downside of that is that it gets really expensive really quickly. Even if you just subscribe as $20 a month adds up quickly

Alternatively Omnisphere 3 takes a similar approach only with much more power and diversity. It's expensive but cheaper than buying Zenology Pro and all the expansions, or renting it for two years. It's not surprising it's taking a similar approach as the current Zenology product is essentially an enhanced JV synth engine and that was developed by Eric Persing who left Roland to start Spectrasonics who develops Omnisphere

Omnisphere 3 has the same four partial ideology only it has a MUCH larger and more diverse sample library. It also does VA and has all of the Roland Vintage Synth waveforms that are in Zenology plus vintage Moog, Oberheim, Sequential, Arp etc, same goes for filters as they have all the Roland ones plus many more. Omnisphere 3 also has a much larger assortment of effects and you can use them outside of Omnisphere on anything inside of your DAW, and to be honest everything in Omnisphere 3 sounds better than what's in Zenology, the samples, the VA waves, the filters, and the effects. It also had more features than what's inside of Zenology like granular

[D-Fusion]

Still rather confused by Zenology Pro - is it basically a semi modular synth built from models of their older synths and filters (and fx)? (bit like a Roland Diva?) So could you recreate something like a D-50 with it? Does it have elements of the V-Synth?

It's just a synth with four Oscillators. It's not really semi modular at all, it has a fixed architecture.

Each Oscillator can play back a sample or modeled VA waves from various Roland Synths and run that though various filters, most of them modeled from various Roland Synths

The confusing part is Roland sells many different Zenology packages, and expansions. That give you extra presets, waveforms, filters, effects, and samples and in the case of the model expansions a skin that makes it look like you

But all these are really doing is just adding things to the existing four oscillators or different filter models, and in the case of the model expansions if you use the skins, strip down your options to whatever is available in the synth model, for example use the skin from the Juno expansion and it will turn off three of the oscillators, default to just the Juno filter, and the only effect will be the chorus

That is not true regarding the Juno 106 Model.
It does have the Juno chorus as default but you can change it to any other FX type that Zenology Pro supports If you want to use something else than the Juno Chorus.
You also have different Reverbs to choose from in the Reverb FX slot number two.

It is also not just the Juno Filter that can be used and it can be changed.
You can select the sequential or Moog filter in the Juno 106 Model if you want to use one of those filter types instead of the Juno Filter

[IvyBirds]

Still rather confused by Zenology Pro - is it basically a semi modular synth built from models of their older synths and filters (and fx)? (bit like a Roland Diva?) So could you recreate something like a D-50 with it? Does it have elements of the V-Synth?

It's just a synth with four Oscillators. It's not really semi modular at all, it has a fixed architecture.

Each Oscillator can play back a sample or modeled VA waves from various Roland Synths and run that though various filters, most of them modeled from various Roland Synths

The confusing part is Roland sells many different Zenology packages, and expansions. That give you extra presets, waveforms, filters, effects, and samples and in the case of the model expansions a skin that makes it look like you

But all these are really doing is just adding things to the existing four oscillators or different filter models, and in the case of the model expansions if you use the skins, strip down your options to whatever is available in the synth model, for example use the skin from the Juno expansion and it will turn off three of the oscillators, default to just the Juno filter, and the only effect will be the chorus

That is not true regarding the Juno 106 Model.
It does have the Juno chorus as default but you can change it to any other FX type that Zenology Pro supports If you want to use something else than the Juno Chorus.
You also have different Reverbs to choose from in the Reverb FX slot number two.

It is also not just the Juno Filter that can be used and it can be changed.
You can select the sequential or Moog filter in the Juno 106 Model if you want to use one of those filter types instead of the Juno Filter

So you are saying that

for example use the skin from the Juno expansion and it will turn off three of the oscillators, default to just the Juno filter, and the only effect will be the chorus

Wow that sounds exactly like what I said, you get a single Oscillator as the other three are turned off, it defaults to the Juno filter and the only effect in the skin is the chorus. I never said you couldn't change from the defaults in fact I said just the opposite.

Hope that helps

[surreal]

Does it have similar sounds to the xv 5060 synth

[shatteredmindofbob]

Does it have similar sounds to the xv 5060 synth

Do you mean Zenology? It's got all the 5080 sounds.

[D-Fusion]

Still rather confused by Zenology Pro - is it basically a semi modular synth built from models of their older synths and filters (and fx)? (bit like a Roland Diva?) So could you recreate something like a D-50 with it? Does it have elements of the V-Synth?

It's just a synth with four Oscillators. It's not really semi modular at all, it has a fixed architecture.

Each Oscillator can play back a sample or modeled VA waves from various Roland Synths and run that though various filters, most of them modeled from various Roland Synths

The confusing part is Roland sells many different Zenology packages, and expansions. That give you extra presets, waveforms, filters, effects, and samples and in the case of the model expansions a skin that makes it look like you

But all these are really doing is just adding things to the existing four oscillators or different filter models, and in the case of the model expansions if you use the skins, strip down your options to whatever is available in the synth model, for example use the skin from the Juno expansion and it will turn off three of the oscillators, default to just the Juno filter, and the only effect will be the chorus

That is not true regarding the Juno 106 Model.
It does have the Juno chorus as default but you can change it to any other FX type that Zenology Pro supports If you want to use something else than the Juno Chorus.
You also have different Reverbs to choose from in the Reverb FX slot number two.

It is also not just the Juno Filter that can be used and it can be changed.
You can select the sequential or Moog filter in the Juno 106 Model if you want to use one of those filter types instead of the Juno Filter

So you are saying that

for example use the skin from the Juno expansion and it will turn off three of the oscillators, default to just the Juno filter, and the only effect will be the chorus

Wow that sounds exactly like what I said, you get a single Oscillator as the other three are turned off, it defaults to the Juno filter and the only effect in the skin is the chorus. I never said you couldn't change from the defaults in fact I said just the opposite.

Hope that helps

Guess it was the wording you used that made the missunderstanding of what you meant when you ended with "and the only effect will be the chorus ", so it was not how i saw your Explanation of the Zen Juno 106 Model when i was reading it.

But i am glad we could clear things up

[tripleflows]

Zenology Pro would be very interesting if most of the parameters could be automated in the synth, not just the macros. And even though the VST parameters are there, they can’t be automated (I’ve never seen anything stranger than that), so as far as I’m concerned, it’s a no-go.

[surreal]

Does it have similar sounds to the xv 5060 synth

Do you mean Zenology? It's got all the 5080 sounds.

Thank you for the confirmation, greatly appreciated!

[Examigan]

Does it have similar sounds to the xv 5060 synth

Do you mean Zenology? It's got all the 5080 sounds.

Thank you for the confirmation, greatly appreciated!

I’d almost like to get it for the interface alone. I never really liked how the XV-5080 was setup.

[surreal]

It's very tempting especially with jRR shop discount but there is unfortunately other financial priorities that is preventing me to pull that trigger.... GAS is real people..... GAS is an affliction.... uugh it hate it

[IvyBirds]

Does it have similar sounds to the xv 5060 synth

Do you mean Zenology? It's got all the 5080 sounds.

Thank you for the confirmation, greatly appreciated!

Keep in mind the effects and the way they are implemented are different. That may or may not matter to you. Many of the factory XV5080 patches rely heavily on reverb and those patches will sound different on the XV5080 plugin as compared to the one in Zenology, but will sound close enough for most users

XV5080 also has an additional "Patch Chorus block" for effects that Zenology lacks. Factory XV5080 patches that use this extra slot for chorus will sound thinner

On the flip side Zenology emulates the SRV-2000 reverb with a lot more options and controls. The SRV-2000 reverb was a reverb rack unit Roland make in the late 1990s. It sounded great (I still have one) the XV-5080 hardware used a few algos in a simplified way (which sounded awesome), the Zenology Pro software contains a deeper emulation with full control

[Digivolt]

Is the 5080 worth getting while it's on sale and is there any reason to get the 1080 over the 5080 ?

[beely]

Pretty sure this has been covered here many many times - the 1080 and 5080 plugins are *identical* except for a) the faceplate graphics and b) you get a few extra banks of presets in the 5080, as well as all the presets that are in the 1080 plugin.

So you get more for your money with the 5080 than the 1080 plugin.

So unless you particularly like or dislike the faceplate graphics of one over the other, no other reason, no.

[electro]

I believe the 5080 hardware is all digital from starting from a compressed PCM ROM and digital VCF through S/PDIF. The 1080 I believe has some color and a compressed PCM ROM at a lower sample rate.