Roland ZENOLOGY Pro on sale on Roland's website!

[N 4 LIFE]

remember everyone that when you get sound packs and VST's from Roland Cloud, there are no multi's, no combos, and the sound packs do not sound like the demos.

[jdoo]

Zenology tones break down to four partials. Each partial has two oscillators, 4 LFOs, effects, chorus, reverb, and can be combined (layered) or split across the keyboard range within the tone. So not a ‘multi’ architecture / nomenclature per se, but a multiple ‘partials’ (4) per tone. Each partial operates as a self-contained synthesizer with its own oscillator, filter, and amp, which can be combined to create the tones. I havent run into issues where the demos differed wildly from what is in a sound pack, but dont have a boatload of experience trying to match something in a demo.

[N 4 LIFE]

Zenology tones break down to four partials. Each partial has two oscillators, 4 LFOs, effects, chorus, reverb, and can be combined (layered) or split across the keyboard range within the tone. So not a ‘multi’ architecture / nomenclature per se, but a multiple ‘partials’ (4) per tone. Each partial operates as a self-contained synthesizer with its own oscillator, filter, and amp, which can be combined to create the tones. I havent run into issues where the demos differed wildly from what is in a sound pack, but dont have a boatload of experience trying to match something in a demo.

it is mostly in the multi fx that aren't the same as in the demos in their videos afaik.

[beely]

it is mostly in the multi fx that aren't the same as in the demos in their videos afaik.

The first version of Zenology didn't have reverb, so they likely added reverb for demos, at least for the early ones, to make them sound more like they would in a mix. Maybe that's the issue?

[jdoo]

Some more info on Zenology Pro that I have dug up recently ( Im using / integrating into my ITB setup ) as Zenology Pro is back on sale for $99. Many of the included patches are a lift from synths they have using Zen-Core. EG. Fantom, Jupiter-X, MC-707. The Zenology Pro PRST_F Essential bank has 800+ patches which are a direct Zen-Core lift from the Fantom Common Bank, and AC Edge Keytar. One of the other Banks ( PRST-E XV Collection ) is converted from the Roland XV-5080 Engine / hardware rompler. That bank alone has 896 Presets which are sounds from the XV-5080 ( based on 1083 original PCM waveforms and OG patches. ), So, Ive taken the Cloud xv-5080 off my GAS list. Anyway, i was curious.. didnt see it posted … so Zenology Pro back on sale. The Roland XV-5080 is ported in there, and the Zen-core common bank found in the Fantom, Jupiter-x and MC-707 is there. There is a boatload more (drums, etc ) rompler stuff if youre looking to add ITB Roland timbres (I was), but this is part of it.

[mcbpete]

Zenology Pro is back on sale for $99.

Nice, so can I just check this is the case -

1. It's just a one off payment of $99, not a yearly charge
2. You need to have a Roland Cloud account/installer, but there's a 'free' tier that allows you to use your lifetime purchases (i.e. in this case Zenology Pro)

[adl]

Zenology Pro is back on sale for $99.

Nice, so can I just check this is the case -

1. It's just a one off payment of $99, not a yearly charge
2. You need to have a Roland Cloud account/installer, but there's a 'free' tier that allows you to use your lifetime purchases (i.e. in this case Zenology Pro)

Yes, I did that, don't really care for the other stuff, I just wanted Zenology Pro. Also:
Get it from jrrshop using the code GROUP and you'll get it for $83,16. You'll get a legit serial and can register that on Roland Cloud, just as of you would have bought it at Roland homepage. Did exactly that and it's really a good price for Zenology Pro:
https://www.jrrshop.com/zenology.html

[seangm]

and you can be in the middle of typing a word document and not doing anything music related and you get popups telling you "Roland Cloud Manager Cannot Connect to the Internet", and that was the issue for me on my home computer. It was connected and I do all kinds of things online but RCM wouldn't connect

This is all I need to hear to put me off buying Zenology Pro. UA Connect was doing that type of thing until I learned how to stop it. But it sounds like you are stuck running the RCM if you want to use Zenology so nope. Way too intrusive.

[SLiC]

Yes, I did that, don't really care for the other stuff, I just wanted Zenology Pro. Also:
Get it from jrrshop using the code GROUP and you'll get it for $83,16. You'll get a legit serial and can

A must have at that prose if you don't already own it, one of the best best VSTS available to get that Roland sound.

[telecharge]

Yes, I did that, don't really care for the other stuff, I just wanted Zenology Pro. Also:
Get it from jrrshop using the code GROUP and you'll get it for $83,16. You'll get a legit serial and can

A must have at that prose if you don't already own it, one of the best best VSTS available to get that Roland sound.

ZENOLOGY definitely qualifies as prose, as only prose use it.

[jdoo]

I am mapping the Zenology Pro stuff into my ITB settings through Logic Projects I use. In the process, i asked an AI engine to pull together more info on the Zenology Pro included Banks. Im posting a link to the doc here - in case anyone is interested. It's not comprehensive, and is probably not 100% accurate.. but it has some info I needed, including links to the documentation where the patches came from, or went. IE. links to FANTOM, FA, XV-5080, XV, etc SoundLists that Roland has provided. These patches were pulled or ported (in come cases) into Zenology Pro directly from the ZenCore used for these systems, so they are in the same order, and the documentation applies directly. For me -- It was useful for gathering info on Patchnames, and uploading into my settings. There are references to my stuff ("Mirros the FA workstation and JD-XA Synth), because... well because I am using AI to help sort through stuff. Mentioning, as this was purpose-pulled for my stuff, not generic, so if there are references to weird crap... it's because i am integrating / rebuilding a hybrid system and the AI engine referenced it. Anway -- this is free.. and worth every penny I am charging for it.
https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/vgblb4iw ... n156k&dl=0

To the discussion at hand. As I dove into the patches I have heard/wanted to mimic in my settings.. I am thankful that my Logic Pro projects have effects sends (internal and external) as some of these need work. There are a load though... that what comes straight out of Zenology is good enough for my purposes. Anyway, the $99 sale is a great deal. I would have paid that just to get some of my FA patches ITB.. for home use.

Cheers

Joe

[IvyBirds]

I am mapping the Zenology Pro stuff into my ITB settings through Logic Projects I use. In the process, i asked an AI engine to pull together more info on the Zenology Pro included Banks. Im posting a link to the doc here - in case anyone is interested. It's not comprehensive, and is probably not 100% accurate.. but it has some info I needed, including links to the documentation where the patches came from, or went. IE. links to FANTOM, FA, XV-5080, XV, etc SoundLists that Roland has provided. These patches were pulled or ported (in come cases) into Zenology Pro directly from the ZenCore used for these systems, so they are in the same order, and the documentation applies directly. For me -- It was useful for gathering info on Patchnames, and uploading into my settings. There are references to my stuff ("Mirros the FA workstation and JD-XA Synth), because... well because I am using AI to help sort through stuff. Mentioning, as this was purpose-pulled for my stuff, not generic, so if there are references to weird crap... it's because i am integrating / rebuilding a hybrid system and the AI engine referenced it. Anway -- this is free.. and worth every penny I am charging for it.
https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/vgblb4iw ... n156k&dl=0

To the discussion at hand. As I dove into the patches I have heard/wanted to mimic in my settings.. I am thankful that my Logic Pro projects have effects sends (internal and external) as some of these need work. There are a load though... that what comes straight out of Zenology is good enough for my purposes. Anyway, the $99 sale is a great deal. I would have paid that just to get some of my FA patches ITB.. for home use.

Cheers

Joe

Good detective work Joe

You might find it interesting that Banks C and D in Zenology were originally on the Integra 7 and represented "Supernatural Synth" banks

And then they were ported over to the Zencore system. The Synth Legends Bank or Bank C was originally provided as a free download for Integra7 and Jupiter 80 using the Super Natural engine

The Super Natural engine had some differences to Zen Core especially with acoustic instruments and articulations it would play with multiple samples and playing technique so it's not 1:1 but the underlying samples and presets come from it

[maschinelf]

Zenology GX for ipad has been released and is currently on free trial. AUv3 support and pro edit mode to come in an update. No word on how long the free trial lasts and how much the lifetime key will cost.

I'm interested in Zenology Pro primarily for prototyping and designing patches for my MC-101. The ipad version may just take care of that requirement. Still would be nice to have a full fledged vst version for pc, but apart from that not sure Zenology Pro has any significant advantages or differences. And the GX version available for ipad and afaik also a part of Galaxias appears to be a more modern version with a slightly better GUI.

[pluginoise]

you mean all of these hundreds/thousands of sounds all just sounds the same?

sadly, zenology itself just sounds like poop. i have done hours of comparisons between the different roland vsts out there and the XV 5080 sounds fantastic, so does the JV 1080. but Zenology has all those same sounds in it. Zenology SHOULD sound fantastic, but it is awful. Why? Well, the first thing is that they released Zenology and for years it didn't even have reverb. Dry as a bone. When they finally did add reverb, did they put it in the patches and MFX like on the modules. Nope. If you want a patch from Zenology to come anywhere close to your XV 5080 you have to build the entire FX buss yourself. Times a few thousand patches. Awful. The next problem is just the overall sound of Zenology. Whoever built it did not study Roland's fantastic stereo out busses from the past because while the D50 plug out, Juno 106, Juno 60, stand-alones all sound amazing out the master outs, Zenology has a very small stereo width. Horrible TONE in general. Roland had decades of the smoothest most usable and professional keyboards and modules with the highest sonic quality. Just test it for yourself. Listen to any of the 1080 or 5080 patches on their own and then listen to the Zen versions. There is no comparison. Zenology will suck until someone measures the EQ curve of its master buss and turns into something Roland could be proud of.

I can't imagine any programming team being so lazy as to release five decades of incredible Roland trademark sounds, and then not go back and at least put reverb on there. Unbelievable.

[Examigan]

I am mapping the Zenology Pro stuff into my ITB settings through Logic Projects I use. In the process, i asked an AI engine to pull together more info on the Zenology Pro included Banks. Im posting a link to the doc here - in case anyone is interested. It's not comprehensive, and is probably not 100% accurate.. but it has some info I needed, including links to the documentation where the patches came from, or went. IE. links to FANTOM, FA, XV-5080, XV, etc SoundLists that Roland has provided. These patches were pulled or ported (in come cases) into Zenology Pro directly from the ZenCore used for these systems, so they are in the same order, and the documentation applies directly. For me -- It was useful for gathering info on Patchnames, and uploading into my settings. There are references to my stuff ("Mirros the FA workstation and JD-XA Synth), because... well because I am using AI to help sort through stuff. Mentioning, as this was purpose-pulled for my stuff, not generic, so if there are references to weird crap... it's because i am integrating / rebuilding a hybrid system and the AI engine referenced it. Anway -- this is free.. and worth every penny I am charging for it.
https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/vgblb4iw ... n156k&dl=0

To the discussion at hand. As I dove into the patches I have heard/wanted to mimic in my settings.. I am thankful that my Logic Pro projects have effects sends (internal and external) as some of these need work. There are a load though... that what comes straight out of Zenology is good enough for my purposes. Anyway, the $99 sale is a great deal. I would have paid that just to get some of my FA patches ITB.. for home use.

Cheers

Joe

Good detective work Joe

You might find it interesting that Banks C and D in Zenology were originally on the Integra 7 and represented "Supernatural Synth" banks

And then they were ported over to the Zencore system. The Synth Legends Bank or Bank C was originally provided as a free download for Integra7 and Jupiter 80 using the Super Natural engine

The Super Natural engine had some differences to Zen Core especially with acoustic instruments and articulations it would play with multiple samples and playing technique so it's not 1:1 but the underlying samples and presets come from it

I wish they had a demo version of Zenology Pro. I haven't tried the full version for many years, actually since the last time I bought a lifetime key. It would be nice if they had a version to try it out (to refresh my memory) without having to pay for a month of RC.