can technicality kill creativity?

[spaceman]

so neither the chicken or the egg? It was the music all along...

puts a whole new perspective on that scrambled egg I have in the morning

[Manc Chris]

so neither the chicken or the egg? It was the music all along...

A chicken playing a lute. See?

[CypherOne]

so neither the chicken or the egg? It was the music all along...

A chicken playing a lute. See?

so what did the egg do? dance?

[spaceman]

so neither the chicken or the egg? It was the music all along...

A chicken playing a lute. See?

so what did the egg do? dance?

collect small change in a hat?

[CypherOne]

no hands, it would never work.

[AudioShots]

Technology can be a killer to creativity – if you allow it to consume you. An example of this is all around us – what’s new, what’s latest – that costs more it must be better (I need an art tablet j/k quincy ). = technology killing creativity

But in all of this time of wondering about the creativity is being locked up, not allowed to flow – just use what you have – or take a leaf out of Bones book, if it does more than you want it to do, or its just too complex – stop! Get real and step back a bit, you can probably do all that you need with what you have already.

Why spend months getting to grips with impossible GUI’s? just to get a squeak?

I could go on, but you see the point.

[Manc Chris]

so neither the chicken or the egg? It was the music all along...

A chicken playing a lute. See?

so what did the egg do? dance?

No. Eggs don't have legs. A definite prerequisite for dancing I'm afraid.

[hvaring]

can it?

Yes.

[spaceman]

so neither the chicken or the egg? It was the music all along...

A chicken playing a lute. See?

so what did the egg do? dance?

No. Eggs don't have legs. A definite prerequisite for dancing I'm afraid.

wheras a chickens doesn't need fingers to play a lute

[Manc Chris]

so neither the chicken or the egg? It was the music all along...

A chicken playing a lute. See?

so what did the egg do? dance?

No. Eggs don't have legs. A definite prerequisite for dancing I'm afraid.

wheras a chickens doesn't need fingers to play a lute

That's right. They play with their beaks and feet. Bloody clever buggers I tell ya!


Anyway, putting the comedy tangent aside. The music came before the code. And it will be here long after the code is gone. Plain/simple. Convention is temporary.

[spaceman]

Anyway, putting the comedy tangent aside. The music came before the code. And it will be here long after the code is gone. Plain/simple. Convention is temporary.

making sounds using your throat, mouth and tongue came first too but that doesn't mean cavemen were any good at reciting poetry.. theory and creativity grew together, one feeding the other

and the code will never go away... it's here to stay

[Shatner's Bassoon]

Something to remember. FIRST came the music. Someone somewhere. long ago, picked up an instrument ... and wrote a piece of music.
This probably went on for years, until some wag decided to make it all official, and produce a 'how to' book. Probably called "The oafs guide to aural merriment" or something.

Either way, it was the introduction of convention.

But the music came first Wink

Yeah, but all that convention is is like a summary of everything we've learned to date about music. You can either take it or leave it, and throughout history artists have both used and broken the rules to some truly amazing ends.

I really don't see it any differently from, say, writing a VST plugin and inventing all the theory of DSP as you go along (would take years if it's even possible) vs. referring to textbooks to get the background.

This is an extreme example, granted, because music tends to have more use for intuition than DSP. But once you get that intuitive knowledge (either entirely by ear, or using some knowledge of theory - same end result!), it's entirely down to you how you use it.

Dan

[vurt]

and the code will never go away... it's here to stay

i trust you beleive in evolution?
im only saying this after reading recent posts of yours

[spaceman]

and the code will never go away... it's here to stay

i trust you beleive in evolution?
im only saying this after reading recent posts of yours

taht's all carp man

[advaya]

"Basically, he knew everything there is to know about music theory. However, his personal opinion was that he would not have a clue how to write a pop song. He may have known how/why they work, but he could not do it himself."

This doesn't prove that the reason he couldn't write a pop tune was because he knew music theory. It just proves that he couldn't write a pop tune and he also knew music theory.

I know lots of things about music theory (although nothing like "everything") and I have written over 40 pop tunes.

I'm not saying that they are all good, but they are pop songs

And I have written 100+ pop songs. Most of them are NOT good, but a few of them have floated around various pop charts, and ..... I know very little about music theory. (Not attempting any kind of one upmanship there btw, just showing other side of the coin)

PS - You didn't know that Orchestra's don't play in tune though did ya eh? You did

Jesus dude... There is a big difference between 'playing out of tune' and having different sections 'detuned' from one another... You've been spewing out a lot of crap lately, and shlepping it off as if it were holy doctrine...

Its common practice for many different genres of music to play with different sections detuned from each other. (detuned... not out of tune!). It creates a certain level of thickness (you sort of mentioned that in an earlier post) as well as separation between parts. Two rhythm guitarists will usually have slight discrepencies in their tunings on purpose to create a 'musical bed' upon which the lead sections (vocals + lead guitar) perform.

The fact that an orchestra has detuned sections means absolutely nothing in regards to music theory... It does show an understanding of acoustic phenomenon and wave interaction...

And again, because this 'friend' knows everything there is to know about music theory, does not mean that's the reason he can't write a pop song...