Do you have a Go-To Plugin for Warming Up, Saturation, +Character ?
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- KVRist
- 96 posts since 27 Feb, 2026
the recommendations in here split into two groups, and i think the OP's choice depends on which they're after.
group one is always-on transformer color. spectre, ferric, totape8, sdrr at low input. these add density and weight without anything reading as distortion. the trade is they need a lot of instances and the result is cumulative across the mix bus, not local to one track.
group two is into-the-red character. verve at high drive, arousor, the heavier crush pack settings. these are obvious on the source. one instance does most of the work. the trade is the source has to deserve it. on a polite vocal it just sounds wrong.
i find the "subtle vs obvious" axis cleaner than the "tape vs tube vs transformer" axis when picking. tube/tape/transformer is mostly EQ shape, which a curve plot tells you faster than your ears can in a busy mix.
one practical: if you can't tell whether the saturator is doing anything, A/B with phase-flipped null. bypass-vs-engaged is a misleading test because most saturators boost level slightly. null tells you what's actually being added.
group one is always-on transformer color. spectre, ferric, totape8, sdrr at low input. these add density and weight without anything reading as distortion. the trade is they need a lot of instances and the result is cumulative across the mix bus, not local to one track.
group two is into-the-red character. verve at high drive, arousor, the heavier crush pack settings. these are obvious on the source. one instance does most of the work. the trade is the source has to deserve it. on a polite vocal it just sounds wrong.
i find the "subtle vs obvious" axis cleaner than the "tape vs tube vs transformer" axis when picking. tube/tape/transformer is mostly EQ shape, which a curve plot tells you faster than your ears can in a busy mix.
one practical: if you can't tell whether the saturator is doing anything, A/B with phase-flipped null. bypass-vs-engaged is a misleading test because most saturators boost level slightly. null tells you what's actually being added.
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- KVRian
- 623 posts since 8 Dec, 2025
I'm in group three: Anything that creates aliasing as low as possible, ideally lower than -120 dBFS when using a sweeping sine wave at -18 dBFS to have some headroom for further nonlinear processing. Instant win for me.kernaudioio wrote: Wed May 06, 2026 10:24 am group one is always-on transformer color. spectre, ferric, totape8, sdrr at low input. these add density and weight without anything reading as distortion. the trade is they need a lot of instances and the result is cumulative across the mix bus, not local to one track.
group two is into-the-red character. verve at high drive, arousor, the heavier crush pack settings. these are obvious on the source. one instance does most of the work. the trade is the source has to deserve it. on a polite vocal it just sounds wrong.
- KVRAF
- 11375 posts since 3 Feb, 2003 from Finland, Espoo
They have two transformer models in the Saturator X plugin.zvenx wrote: Thu Apr 30, 2026 4:24 pm Hmmm from you.. High praise.
You mentioned how ik mm does it in stillwell's thread..
I didn't want to ask there, but which ik mm plugin (s) were you referring to?
rsp
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- KVRAF
- 14466 posts since 16 Feb, 2005 from Planet Earth, Somewhere
Thanks.. will go check them out again.bmanic wrote: Wed May 06, 2026 11:56 amThey have two transformer models in the Saturator X plugin.zvenx wrote: Thu Apr 30, 2026 4:24 pm Hmmm from you.. High praise.
You mentioned how ik mm does it in stillwell's thread..
I didn't want to ask there, but which ik mm plugin (s) were you referring to?
rsp
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- KVRAF
- 20768 posts since 22 Nov, 2000 from Southern California
Verve can be used subtly and the Essentials version is free now. I use the algorithms in the Essentials version 90% of the time.
- KVRAF
- 20768 posts since 22 Nov, 2000 from Southern California
What are some examples of this?Zeisner wrote: Wed May 06, 2026 11:38 am I'm in group three: Anything that creates aliasing as low as possible, ideally lower than -120 dBFS when using a sweeping sine wave at -18 dBFS to have some headroom for further nonlinear processing. Instant win for me.
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- KVRian
- 623 posts since 8 Dec, 2025
A few obvious and obscure examples from the -120 dBFS to -144 dBFS range:
Analog Obsession: FRANK, Harqules, HLQSE, N492ME, NEQME
Bram de Jong: Cyanide 2 (Depending on the curve you draw)
Softube: Tonelux Tilt, Tube-Tech ME 1B, Tube-Tech PE 1C
Sonimus: SonEQ
Tokyo Dawn Labs: TDR VOS SlickEQ (+GE of course)
Variety of Sound: Density mkIII, TesslaPRO mkIV, FlavourMTC, ThrillseekerXTC mkIII, most of the Nasty Signal Coloring FX
Xenium Audio: X-Tube
Unfortunately there's still no Chebyshev polynom waveshaper like Christian W. Budde's Christortion but with plenty of oversampling. That would be amazing.
- KVRAF
- 20768 posts since 22 Nov, 2000 from Southern California
Thanks. That's great to hear. Variety of Sound uses ADAA, which AI says is also in these:Zeisner wrote: Wed May 06, 2026 8:15 pm A few obvious and obscure examples from the -120 dBFS to -144 dBFS range:
Analog Obsession: FRANK, Harqules, HLQSE, N492ME, NEQME
Bram de Jong: Cyanide 2 (Depending on the curve you draw)
Softube: Tonelux Tilt, Tube-Tech ME 1B, Tube-Tech PE 1C
Sonimus: SonEQ
Tokyo Dawn Labs: TDR VOS SlickEQ (+GE of course)
Variety of Sound: Density mkIII, TesslaPRO mkIV, FlavourMTC, ThrillseekerXTC mkIII, most of the Nasty Signal Coloring FX
Xenium Audio: X-Tube
Unfortunately there's still no Chebyshev polynom waveshaper like Christian W. Budde's Christortion but with plenty of oversampling. That would be amazing.
- apShaper (by Audioyeti): Specifically noted for using ADAA for efficient, low-aliasing distortion.
- Cenozoix Compressor (by Sonic Academy): Cited as the first compressor plugin to incorporate ADAA.
- Chowdhury DSP (Jatin Chowdhury): Known for pioneering accessible research on ADAA and implementing it in tools like the Chow Tape Plugin.
- Native Instruments: Original developers of the technique, often utilizing it for high-quality saturation without high CPU costs.
- General Modeling: Used in advanced virtual analog (VA) modeling to reduce high-frequency foldback in waveshapers
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- KVRian
- 623 posts since 8 Dec, 2025
This reminds me that I still have to test the apulSoft and Chowdhury DSP stuff. So much work and so little time. I wished there was a company that does all the software tests and you just pay for access to their data base.
But yeah, we're slowly getting somewhere regarding aliasing. The harmonic purity of analog gear combined with the ridiculous high S/N ratio of DSP was always the final goal. 99 % of all the where-is-this-ugly-sound-coming-from problems I had were caused by aliasing. I spent way too much time trying to notch out those artifacts without succeeding.
But yeah, we're slowly getting somewhere regarding aliasing. The harmonic purity of analog gear combined with the ridiculous high S/N ratio of DSP was always the final goal. 99 % of all the where-is-this-ugly-sound-coming-from problems I had were caused by aliasing. I spent way too much time trying to notch out those artifacts without succeeding.
- KVRist
- 463 posts since 14 May, 2022
Not particularly reassuring that AI wasn’t aware that apShaper is apulSoft, not Audioyeti, and that Cenozoix is TBT not Sonic Academy. TBT uses ADAA in several plugins, I believe. Fuse Audio in the OCELOT Clipper, ADPTR in Hype (Jatin again), etc.Uncle E wrote: Wed May 06, 2026 8:32 pm AI says is also in these:
- apShaper (by Audioyeti): Specifically noted for using ADAA for efficient, low-aliasing distortion.
- Cenozoix Compressor (by Sonic Academy): Cited as the first compressor plugin to incorporate ADAA.
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- KVRAF
- 2596 posts since 12 Nov, 2014
The Transformer modes are more subtle, but I do like them and opt to use them if I feel the music needs itbmanic wrote: Wed May 06, 2026 11:56 amThey have two transformer models in the Saturator X plugin.zvenx wrote: Thu Apr 30, 2026 4:24 pm Hmmm from you.. High praise.
You mentioned how ik mm does it in stillwell's thread..
I didn't want to ask there, but which ik mm plugin (s) were you referring to?
rsp
- KVRAF
- 20768 posts since 22 Nov, 2000 from Southern California
Agreed, plus I'm not having great results with its suggestions.Igelhaft wrote: Thu May 07, 2026 11:26 am Not particularly reassuring that AI wasn’t aware that apShaper is apulSoft, not Audioyeti, and that Cenozoix is TBT not Sonic Academy. TBT uses ADAA in several plugins, I believe. Fuse Audio in the OCELOT Clipper, ADPTR in Hype (Jatin again), etc.
- KVRAF
- 5545 posts since 26 Apr, 2007 from Noosphere
AI doesn't test plugins. It's just a bot that uses databases (internet, digital libraries, knowledge bases). It is quite stupid by its own.Uncle E wrote: Fri May 08, 2026 12:29 amAgreed, plus I'm not having great results with its suggestions.Igelhaft wrote: Thu May 07, 2026 11:26 am Not particularly reassuring that AI wasn’t aware that apShaper is apulSoft, not Audioyeti, and that Cenozoix is TBT not Sonic Academy. TBT uses ADAA in several plugins, I believe. Fuse Audio in the OCELOT Clipper, ADPTR in Hype (Jatin again), etc.
