Native Instruments to be acquired by inMusic

[machinesworking]

None of my non-ilok Air plugins that were installed with the InMusic Software Center have asked for a "90 day reactivation" yet and I've had them installed longer than 90 days.

But yeah, even if they did I'd be fine with that over Native Abscess.

Then all your computers are online all the time. I have had InMusic de-authorizations, especially with the MPC Live II here which stays offline 24/7. Again InMusics system is the worst of the three, and honestly iLok is the most secure and least invasive. Shocking but true. Native Access lets you know about updates though, so it's the best of the three, despite some installation stupidity.

[D-Fusion]

Native Access will be fine if they stick to it and improve it, rather than making a yet another similar tool (the bane of past NI).

It's possible they might use the InMusic Software Center going forward just to keep everything under one app.
https://www.airmusictech.com/downloads/
To be honest I'd welcome that change.

So you want a 90 day reactivation app instead of how it is today?

None of my non-ilok Air plugins that were installed with the InMusic Software Center have asked for a "90 day reactivation" yet and I've had them installed longer than 90 days.

But yeah, even if they did I'd be fine with that over Native Abscess.

I have experienced it a few times so i stopped buying more from them and i am not alone...
https://www.reddit.com/r/akaiMPC/commen ... in_on_mac/

[felis]

Then all your computers are online all the time. I have had InMusic de-authorizations, especially with the MPC Live II here which stays offline 24/7. Again InMusics system is the worst of the three, and honestly iLok is the most secure and least invasive. Shocking but true. Native Access lets you know about updates though, so it's the best of the three, despite some installation stupidity.

Once set up, I haven't had any problems with iLok.

Steinberg's Download Assistant is another one that will let you know if there are updates to download.

[BBFG#]

Native Access will be fine if they stick to it and improve it, rather than making a yet another similar tool (the bane of past NI).

It's possible they might use the InMusic Software Center going forward just to keep everything under one app.

https://www.airmusictech.com/downloads/

To be honest I'd welcome that change.

FYI InMusic use a 90 day check in CP routine, iLok does not do this. You're literally rooting for a much more invasive system.

I think we need to think as end users about petitioning InMusic to change to NI's system. I haven't seen any random de-authorizations with their version, but again InMusics system is the worst of the three options, and I wouldn't recommend anyone replacing iLok with it, unless you like randomly de-authorized plugins every couple months especially if your DAW computer is offline.

I wish everyone would adopt U-He's new system, and/or stop worrying about the teenage pirates.

A big plus one on the Key Cards used by u-He, Garritan, MusicLab, older Image-Line, etc.
I've always believed there are more imagined pirates by companies (e.g. PACE) whose entire product is based on that fear-mongering than real ones.

NI Access and going back to Service Center has always been a hit or miss (mostly miss) situation. Although both have been adequate for simple authorization. If NI would simply put back the ability to download owned products from our accounts to bypass those and make them authorize directly from with those, I'd probably attempt to start using them again. (DOIAN- Download Once, Install As Needed.)

Besides for the money infusions with negative strings attached, I believe their insistance on shoving Access down everyone's throat with a complete refusal to make it work flawlessly and universally was the true beginning of their end as a "must-have" set of instruments. And while I understand there are those who enjoy having things pushed down their throat, I can't believe it's the majority.

[bmanic]

Native Access will be fine if they stick to it and improve it, rather than making a yet another similar tool (the bane of past NI).

It's possible they might use the InMusic Software Center going forward just to keep everything under one app.
https://www.airmusictech.com/downloads/
To be honest I'd welcome that change.

So you want a 90 day reactivation app instead of how it is today?

None of my non-ilok Air plugins that were installed with the InMusic Software Center have asked for a "90 day reactivation" yet and I've had them installed longer than 90 days.

But yeah, even if they did I'd be fine with that over Native Abscess.

I have experienced it a few times so i stopped buying more from them and i am not alone...
https://www.reddit.com/r/akaiMPC/commen ... in_on_mac/

I'm experiencing it virtually all the time. So much so that I refuse to give them any money ever again.. and I rarely open their plugins on my computer, only using them standalone on the MPC.

Absolutely loathe their system. It's a billion times worse than iLok or NI's app.

[Teksonik]

Native Access will be fine if they stick to it and improve it, rather than making a yet another similar tool (the bane of past NI).

It's possible they might use the InMusic Software Center going forward just to keep everything under one app.
To be honest I'd welcome that change.

FYI InMusic use a 90 day check in CP routine, iLok does not do this. You're literally rooting for a much more invasive system.

You must have missed the part where I wrote "non-ilok plugins". It has nothing to do with Air now.
If you're saying the new Air plugins need a 90 day check in so what? How is that more invasive than an .exe as a running process that keeps a constant up/down internet connection sending and receiving who knows what data from who knows where for who knows what purpose?

but again InMusics system is the worst of the three options, and I wouldn't recommend anyone replacing iLok with it,

Again you fail to grasp my point. I'm not advocating iLok in any way shape or form. No one hates it more than I do.

All I can say is that I don't like Native Abscess and the InMusic Software Center has so far not been a problem.

Don't get your panties in a bunch, there is no indication that InMusic will change N.I.'s system and in fact the sale hasn't even gone through yet so let's wait to see what happens before we start freaking out.

[machinesworking]

FYI InMusic use a 90 day check in CP routine, iLok does not do this. You're literally rooting for a much more invasive system.

You must have missed the part where I wrote "non-ilok plugins". It has nothing to do with Air now.
If you're saying the new Air plugins need a 90 day check in so what? How is that more invasive than an .exe as a running process that keeps a constant up/down internet connection sending and receiving who knows what data from who knows where for who knows what purpose?

Because one doesn't do anything but collect usage data that you can opt out of, and the other means that the software is entirely dependent on InMusic being in business forever. One doesn't need to be online, it will not de-authorize your plugins.

I'm not that concerned with any of this, but I prefer Native Access over InMusic software center which is easily worse than iLok. You're ripe for conspiracies if you think a plugin developers usage checks are worse than a CP system that works like a subscription, again considering that nothing happens if you block the phone home routine.

[Teksonik]

None of my non-ilok Air plugins that were installed with the InMusic Software Center have asked for a "90 day reactivation" yet and I've had them installed longer than 90 days.

But yeah, even if they did I'd be fine with that over Native Abscess.

Then all your computers are online all the time. I have had InMusic de-authorizations, especially with the MPC Live II here which stays offline 24/7. Again InMusics system is the worst of the three, and honestly iLok is the most secure and least invasive. Shocking but true. Native Access lets you know about updates though, so it's the best of the three, despite some installation stupidity.

Again I'm not advocating for iLok in any way shape or form. Again, I hate it more than anyone. It's only "non-invasive" if you're not paying attention to what it does on your system. The InMusic Software Center does not require a running process unlike Pace:

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Yes my computers are online. In an age of even our refrigerators being connected to the net having our studio systems offline no longer makes sense to me.

Mine is only online for copy protection handshakes and product updates. It never surfs the web, never answers email, never downloads anything other than updates. I've been doing it that way for over a decade and half if not more with no problems and few people are more paranoid about a studio system's stability and security than I am.

But take a deep breath....InMusic is not listening to my wishes. They're not going to change whatever it is they plan on doing or not doing based on a post I made here.

So calm down, everything's going to be alright......

Because one doesn't do anything but collect usage data that you can opt out of,

That is incorrect. Even with Data Usage turned off the NTKDaemon.exe still keeps a connection. Even if you're not using any NI plugins, even if you don't have a DAW open.

[Teksonik]

means that the software is entirely dependent on InMusic being in business forever.

As opposed to Native Instruments or Pace "being in business forever" ?

Without InMusic, N.I. might well have gone out of business so you're ripe for paranoia if you worry about other companies going out of business.

Again let's see what happens. We're arguing about crap that may never happen.

[BBFG#]

While I think I'll never again buy into their Komplete packages, if this is done right for the consumer, I can see installing Kontakt and Maschine again. I have more invested in 3rd party libraries with Kontakt and still have two controllers I've regularly thought might become "doorstops" or "art pieces" that present the choice of using or just taking the loss and moving on.
As it has stood for too long of a time now, it's been a Komplete loss to me.
And I'd love to recoup my investment with them.

And likewise with iZotope.

[CapnLockheed]

I think Moog is doing pretty good under Inmusic.

Seriously?? The inMusic made Moog Muse is plastic crap.

Following inMusic’s acquisition of Moog Music, user discussions have raised concerns regarding potential declines in build quality, with reports citing cheaper components, specifically on the Moog Muse. While some users report issues like "mushy" buttons or loose encoders on newer models Key Concerns Post-Acquisition (2024-2026):Build Component Shift: Observations indicate a shift toward more plastic, less substantial keybeds, and less solid knobs compared to older, Asheville-made models.

Quality Control & Support: Reports allege reduced quality control, with some users reporting defects upon arrival and challenges with inMusic’s support, described as poor or non-existent.

Production Changes: The layoffs of experienced Moog staff and movement of production to foreign factories have fueled fears of diminished quality.

Specific Model Feedback: Owners of the Moog Muse have noted inconsistencies with buttons and encoders compared to previous, more rugged Moog gear.

Is THAT your idea of "doing pretty good"??

[Teksonik]

Native Access will be fine if they stick to it and improve it, rather than making a yet another similar tool (the bane of past NI).

It's possible they might use the InMusic Software Center going forward just to keep everything under one app.
https://www.airmusictech.com/downloads/
To be honest I'd welcome that change.

So you want a 90 day reactivation app instead of how it is today?

None of my non-ilok Air plugins that were installed with the InMusic Software Center have asked for a "90 day reactivation" yet and I've had them installed longer than 90 days.

But yeah, even if they did I'd be fine with that over Native Abscess.

I have experienced it a few times so i stopped buying more from them and i am not alone...
https://www.reddit.com/r/akaiMPC/commen ... in_on_mac/

I'm experiencing it virtually all the time. So much so that I refuse to give them any money ever again.. and I rarely open their plugins on my computer, only using them standalone on the MPC.
Absolutely loathe their system. It's a billion times worse than iLok or NI's app.

That has not been my experience here. But then the only Akai hardware I own is an MPK261 keyboard and an Akai Mini which don't load plugins.

I've never lost an Air plugin going back many many years but I have lost N.I. plugins (Pro 52, FM7).

The only time I lost access to Air plugins was when I refused to install the iLok malware any longer. Now that they have removed that requirement I have installed all those plugins again and have not had any issues since.

I'd much rather have periodic authoization than have something installed on my system that runs all the time. You're talking about reauthorizing four times....a year.

Look, I'm not a fan of InMusic and I've said so in this very thread but if given a choice I'd rather have their software center than the truly intrusive ones that install crap on my system.

But again let's all just wait to see what happens before we start throwing bricks at each other for expressing a personal preference.

[machinesworking]

means that the software is entirely dependent on InMusic being in business forever.

As opposed to Native Instruments or Pace "being in business forever" ?

Without InMusic, N.I. might well have gone out of business so you're ripe for paranoia if you worry about other companies going out of business.

Again let's see what happens. We're arguing about crap that may never happen.

You've never lost authorization of a plugin because it went out of business then. I really do think you're arguing to argue here though. You on one side hate that NI stay online, but on the other don't mind that InMusic literally NEEDS you to be online or your software gets de-authorized.

It's not a tenable position, but you do you I guess?

[felis]

.........
Is THAT your idea of "doing pretty good"??

Being a viable business making and selling products rather than being bankrupt and only known through history is my idea of doing pretty good.

I have no complaints about the build quality and sound of my inMusic Moog Messenger.

[mixyguy2]

I can't think of a worse company to acquire Native Instruments.

Because...........

Because I've had dealings with InMusic before. I have very little to no respect for them as a company.

Again: because..........