Flangers and phasers

[xx JPRacer xx]

To be fair to jamcat I think sometime he gives great suggestions, but sometime... maybe he's an alcoholic?

[jamcat]

You totally dodged answering the question, Ivan. The reason why is pretty obvious. We find ourselves in an odd period where of course all developers are leveraging AI, because they would be stupid not to, but they're unwilling to admit to it. So that's where we are now. But if you didn't have extensive experience with using AI in your coding work, you certainly wouldn't be attacking someone else's supposed lack of experience in using AI for coding tasks, since if you did, you would literally be exhibiting your own "Dunning-Kruger Effect."

The difference here, is I'm not taking pot-shots from behind an appeal to authority logical fallacy. I don't talk about what I do. But I don't have to. I can just point to some pretty well-established trends. 5 years ago, computer programming was the fastest growing sector in the market. "Experts" were saying there weren't enough programmers to fill all of the job openings, and that was only going to accelerate. Today, the programming job market has imploded. Not only are there no job openings, but programmers are being laid off en masse. If AI can't and isn't doing all of the things that I say it can and is doing, then why are all of the human coders being replaced by AI? Is it because the tech industry is shifting all of its resources to a technology that doesn't work? Of course not.

[TechHaus]

Coding jobs are trending up, you vibe poster, you.

[simon.a.billington]

I certainly think that the case is pretty strong that Intel/Rosetta will be dropped with the next macOS 27 which will most likely be launched around September.

Here is the official word from Apple:

“Rosetta was designed to make the transition to Apple silicon easier, and we plan to make it available for the next two major macOS releases – through macOS 27 – as a general-purpose tool for Intel apps to help developers complete the migration of their apps. Beyond this timeframe, we will keep a subset of Rosetta functionality aimed at supporting older unmaintained gaming titles, that rely on Intel-based frameworks.”


So yes, Rosetta2 will still be supported in the next version, macOS 27, but will not be supported any longer starting with the version after next, macOS 28. So the Rosetta sunset is two versions away still.

Yep, that'll be it. We're only about 6 months out on macOS 27 too.

When they first released the M-Class chips using a different architecture than Intel that was when the writing was on the wall. They're not going to maintain both sets of codes indefinitely, especially a progressive company like Apple.

It would weigh them down to much and prevent them from trying new things. As it is, those Intel chips didn't even have Machine Learning capabilities for one. or hardware HVEC encoding/decoding.

Anyway, the point is, "the end is high". Well for Intel support anyway.

This is the time you should be shying away anything that still requires Rosetta. The devs have had over 5 years to get their s&*t together, and if they haven't done so already, it most likely will never happen. Just like all those minor developer plugins that never made it from VST2 to VST3.

Making this relevant, It would be wise to make sure any new flanger/phaser doesnt require Rosetta to run. At least on the Mac side.

[jamcat]

Yep, that'll be it. We're only about 6 months out on macOS 27 too.

And then another year from there until macOS 28 and the demise of Rosetta2. So just 18 months from now. Maybe as little as 16 months.

[whyterabbyt]

You totally dodged answering the question, Ivan. The reason why is pretty obvious.

You totally dodged answering the questions, jamcat. The reason why is pretty obvious.

The difference here, is I'm not taking pot-shots from behind an appeal to authority logical fallacy.

Yes, you just make proclomations as though you were an authority, taking pot-shots from behind proof by assertion logical fallacies.

I don't talk about what I do.

Have you got any experience as a programmer whatsoever? Because you definitely repeatedly assert about programming and programmers without ever having backed up with any first-hand evidence or concrete references.

[jamcat]

Yes

[whyterabbyt]

publically-available audio plugin or host software development in a high-level programming language?

[simon.a.billington]

Yep, that'll be it. We're only about 6 months out on macOS 27 too.

And then another year from there until macOS 28 and the demise of Rosetta2. So just 18 months from now. Maybe as little as 16 months.

Yep. That is why I highly advocate moving away from relying on Intel/Rosetta. We have the time now, make that transition.

[pabloaldunate]

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