Why is modern music so awful

[lunardigs]

They're not the same.
They have things in common.
Most importantly, they were contemporary.
And if you choose to see it, you can have an insight into that era by correlating them.

[lunardigs]

Music got bad in like the early 2000's ...

That would be the transition to Pluto in Sagittarius, which was the time frame zoomers were born.

Yeah ...

Let's see. This would be when the Millennial Whoop was a thing. Hip hop was ubiquitous ... 2005 is when we got Taylor Swift
Not sure just yet, but this is the era forward most of you are probably complaining about

[TechHaus]

Music got bad in like the early 2000's ...

That would be the transition to Pluto in Sagittarius, which was the time frame zoomers were born.

Yeah ...

Let's see. This would be when the Millennial Whoop was a thing. Hip hop was ubiquitous ... 2005 is when we got Taylor Swift
Not sure just yet, but this is the era forward most of you are probably complaining about

And those colorful itunes / ipod ads with the silhouettes dancing. ::shudder::

And Starbucks across the street from another Starbucks.

[stoopicus]

So in a nutshell what you are suggesting is that the superficial pop culture things were worse after 2005 than the sucky state of superficial pop culture things before 2005?

[Unreflected]

No.

[TechHaus]

So in a nutshell what you are suggesting is that the superficial pop culture things were worse after 2005 than the sucky state of superficial pop culture things before 2005?

Yeah, no more REM's, Toad and Wet Sprockets, or Pearl Jams...

Just Imagine Dragons and "stomp clap" bands (I guess "chainsmokers?").

[stoopicus]

Yes, well, Bloc Party's debut album was arguably better than the sum total of all of Pearl Jam's catalogue, so...

[TechHaus]

Yes, well, Bloc Party's debut album was arguably better than the sum total of all of Pearl Jam's catalogue, so...

Sure, ok, sorry I brought up Pearl Jam, i was just referencing the page before that.

Bloc Party can be in the early 00's "last of the good stuff" category before we went off a cliff, and ALL music was horrible.

[lunardigs]

So Virgo is ~90 degrees from Sagittarius, which astrologers call a square. It's a challenging relationship/aspect, with tension and little harmony. The two are not naturally compatible.
So for those seeing and hearing today's music who were born as a gen Jones, or gen X, they would find the ideas and sounds of those purveying it kinda awful.
Yet, they probably liked some of the Pluto in Capricorn stuff (2013 - 2014), but now Pluto is in Aquarius, which would be inconjunct to Virgo and so, the awfulness is back probably and it won't cease until 2044 when Pluto moves into Pisces, a 180 degrees across the chart.

Pluto, btw, represents primal, non-negotiable, fixed, life or death, deep emotional currents. It's the dark underworld which is inexorable from overt sunlit world. It is raw polarity. Sex or death. Love or loathing. Black or white. No in between.
So as a creative tool, it could be seen as instinctual decision making, almost like a magnet snapping in place. Pluto is the same principal as Scorpio.

Which brings up Pluto in Scorpio, 1984 to 1996--one my favorite eras in music. Which the boomers and gen jones-ers and gen Xers lived through and made so much good music by.

[enroe]

Pluto, btw, represents primal, non-negotiable, fixed, life or death, deep emotional currents. It's the dark underworld which is inexorable from overt sunlit world. It is raw polarity. Sex or death. Love or loathing. Black or white. No in between.
...

Well — those are some fine observations regarding Pluto.
However: Pluto was stripped of its status as a "planet" back in
2006. It was downgraded to a dwarf planet — and, in doing so,
suffered a significant loss of stature.

No one can endure such humiliation for long — and certainly
not Pluto! Could it be that today's music — which sounds so
dreadful — is simply a consequence of Pluto's punitive demotion
and degradation?

[Bunny_boy]

I happy to blame Pluto's planet relegation for the rise of Ed Sheeran

[stoopicus]

I just realized that T-Pain and Cher's bad-touching of the planet via finding the one really bad way to use auto-tune - that was in the Before Times

[Bunny_boy]

ive never thought of pearl jam sounding similar to rem.
if someone said "i love rem, can you suggest a band i might like?" im sure there's a few id mention, long before pearl jam entered my mind.

Well, Michael Stipe was born 1960, so he's technically a gen jones/late boomer.
Meanwhile, Eddie Vedder was born 1964, so he's definitely gen jones.

So what did they have in common, including their bands?
In terms of the quality of time, they both grew up with Pluto in Virgo--call it the era--as a predominate aspect, and they both played to a gen X audience.

So, beyond this, how was their music similar?
Both of them shared a focus on political activism and social issues. Their lyrics, were kinda problem/critique oriented. Which got into mortality, environmental concerns, politics, cultural reform, etc. All very Virgo, service to mankind type themes.

So ... maybe their styles seem very different, but in terms of the kind of soul they brought, I see a lot of similarity.

This would suggest the Pop Group should be mentioned as well

[Bunny_boy]

And Starbucks across the street from another Starbucks.

Years ago in Leeds there used to be two branches of Waterstones on the same street, which actually was quite a pleasant state of affairs

[Chicken Drummy]

There's a band called Toad The Wet Sprocket???

It's taken from a Python sketch if I'm not mistaken.