Interesting! However, I’m not seeing (or understanding) how the SP404 mk2 sequencer could possibly be better. Could your comparison be leaving things out?fladd wrote: Sun Apr 26, 2026 1:32 pm I made a comparison with the SP404: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... sp=sharing
Curious to see how this is going to change with updates over time!
Akai MPC Sample
- KVRAF
- 7266 posts since 19 Apr, 2002 from Utah
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- KVRian
- 528 posts since 27 Oct, 2004
This is purely based on features/capabilities, not on workflow. And yes, it is certainly possible that I left something out. What specifically are you missing? I am happy to add it.audiojunkie wrote: Sun Apr 26, 2026 2:39 pmInteresting! However, I’m not seeing (or understanding) how the SP404 mk2 sequencer could possibly be better. Could your comparison be leaving things out?fladd wrote: Sun Apr 26, 2026 1:32 pm I made a comparison with the SP404: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... sp=sharing
Curious to see how this is going to change with updates over time!
- KVRAF
- 7266 posts since 19 Apr, 2002 from Utah
It’s not a big deal, and I was certainly not trying to be anything but curious—I hope I didn’t offend. I had just always read that when compared, the SP404 mk2 was the weakest when it comes to sequencing and full song composition. This had always disappointed me, because I prefer te SP404 mk2 in almost every other way. But your comparison showed different results, so I was surprised and curious. I don’t personally have either, but have been investigating both.fladd wrote: Sun Apr 26, 2026 7:17 pmThis is purely based on features/capabilities, not on workflow. And yes, it is certainly possible that I left something out. What specifically are you missing? I am happy to add it.audiojunkie wrote: Sun Apr 26, 2026 2:39 pmInteresting! However, I’m not seeing (or understanding) how the SP404 mk2 sequencer could possibly be better. Could your comparison be leaving things out?fladd wrote: Sun Apr 26, 2026 1:32 pm I made a comparison with the SP404: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... sp=sharing
Curious to see how this is going to change with updates over time!
Vendor‑Dependent Copy Protection: Customers lose. Pirates win.
(Also: I'm Accused of lying about Linux—it boots, runs my pro audio workflow, stays stable, updates--though yearly dismissed as “niche”. Yet I'm the deluded one.)
(Also: I'm Accused of lying about Linux—it boots, runs my pro audio workflow, stays stable, updates--though yearly dismissed as “niche”. Yet I'm the deluded one.)
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- KVRian
- 528 posts since 27 Oct, 2004
Oh, no worries, I am also putting this together without owning either (I do have the Sample on back order though). That is why I am sticking to features only, instead of workflow/subjective points. I did hear the same things about the sequencers of both though online, but I just cannot say anything myself about this.audiojunkie wrote: Sun Apr 26, 2026 11:06 pmIt’s not a big deal, and I was certainly not trying to be anything but curious—I hope I didn’t offend. I had just always read that when compared, the SP404 mk2 was the weakest when it comes to sequencing and full song composition. This had always disappointed me, because I prefer te SP404 mk2 in almost every other way. But your comparison showed different results, so I was surprised and curious. I don’t personally have either, but have been investigating both.fladd wrote: Sun Apr 26, 2026 7:17 pmThis is purely based on features/capabilities, not on workflow. And yes, it is certainly possible that I left something out. What specifically are you missing? I am happy to add it.audiojunkie wrote: Sun Apr 26, 2026 2:39 pmInteresting! However, I’m not seeing (or understanding) how the SP404 mk2 sequencer could possibly be better. Could your comparison be leaving things out?fladd wrote: Sun Apr 26, 2026 1:32 pm I made a comparison with the SP404: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... sp=sharing
Curious to see how this is going to change with updates over time!![]()
- KVRAF
- 7266 posts since 19 Apr, 2002 from Utah
Something good came from the conversation though. I did a lot of research, and found that the TR Step Sequencer is much better than I thought it was. I thought it was just a single row drum hit sequencer where you select where each one shot drum hit takes place. It's actually capable of much more. You can do polyphonic chords on it if you do things right. It is still pad based, but if you use a chromatic sample for each pad, you can record polyphonic chords with it. I wasn't aware of that prior to your post.fladd wrote: Mon Apr 27, 2026 2:10 pmOh, no worries, I am also putting this together without owning either (I do have the Sample on back order though). That is why I am sticking to features only, instead of workflow/subjective points. I did hear the same things about the sequencers of both though online, but I just cannot say anything myself about this.audiojunkie wrote: Sun Apr 26, 2026 11:06 pmIt’s not a big deal, and I was certainly not trying to be anything but curious—I hope I didn’t offend. I had just always read that when compared, the SP404 mk2 was the weakest when it comes to sequencing and full song composition. This had always disappointed me, because I prefer te SP404 mk2 in almost every other way. But your comparison showed different results, so I was surprised and curious. I don’t personally have either, but have been investigating both.fladd wrote: Sun Apr 26, 2026 7:17 pmThis is purely based on features/capabilities, not on workflow. And yes, it is certainly possible that I left something out. What specifically are you missing? I am happy to add it.audiojunkie wrote: Sun Apr 26, 2026 2:39 pmInteresting! However, I’m not seeing (or understanding) how the SP404 mk2 sequencer could possibly be better. Could your comparison be leaving things out?fladd wrote: Sun Apr 26, 2026 1:32 pm I made a comparison with the SP404: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... sp=sharing
Curious to see how this is going to change with updates over time!![]()
Vendor‑Dependent Copy Protection: Customers lose. Pirates win.
(Also: I'm Accused of lying about Linux—it boots, runs my pro audio workflow, stays stable, updates--though yearly dismissed as “niche”. Yet I'm the deluded one.)
(Also: I'm Accused of lying about Linux—it boots, runs my pro audio workflow, stays stable, updates--though yearly dismissed as “niche”. Yet I'm the deluded one.)
- KVRAF
- 4090 posts since 24 Oct, 2000 from A Swede Living in Budapest
Being an old MPC rat myself, I've been using them since the original MPC2000 and I always felt the modern Akais to be absolutely horrible to work with. But this... damn. The workflow and capabilities makes me hopeful.
I spoke with some people at Thomann about it and they said the interest in it was very big. If that's the case, I am sure we will see a pimped out XL version / full sized MPC in the future.
Would be cool.
I spoke with some people at Thomann about it and they said the interest in it was very big. If that's the case, I am sure we will see a pimped out XL version / full sized MPC in the future.
Would be cool.
J60 Heatwave for Omnisphere 3 - Juno-60 Inspired soundbank
HARDWARE SAMPLER FANATIC - Akai S1100/S950/Z8 - Casio FZ20m - Emu Emax I - Ensoniq ASR10/EPS
HARDWARE SAMPLER FANATIC - Akai S1100/S950/Z8 - Casio FZ20m - Emu Emax I - Ensoniq ASR10/EPS
- KVRAF
- 7266 posts since 19 Apr, 2002 from Utah
Indeed! It would be cool.DrGonzo wrote: Fri May 01, 2026 1:49 am Being an old MPC rat myself, I've been using them since the original MPC2000 and I always felt the modern Akais to be absolutely horrible to work with. But this... damn. The workflow and capabilities makes me hopeful.
I spoke with some people at Thomann about it and they said the interest in it was very big. If that's the case, I am sure we will see a pimped out XL version / full sized MPC in the future.
Would be cool.
Vendor‑Dependent Copy Protection: Customers lose. Pirates win.
(Also: I'm Accused of lying about Linux—it boots, runs my pro audio workflow, stays stable, updates--though yearly dismissed as “niche”. Yet I'm the deluded one.)
(Also: I'm Accused of lying about Linux—it boots, runs my pro audio workflow, stays stable, updates--though yearly dismissed as “niche”. Yet I'm the deluded one.)
- KVRAF
- 4090 posts since 24 Oct, 2000 from A Swede Living in Budapest
Probably inevitable. As will be the gold version. And the black versionaudiojunkie wrote: Fri May 01, 2026 12:22 pmIndeed! It would be cool.DrGonzo wrote: Fri May 01, 2026 1:49 am Being an old MPC rat myself, I've been using them since the original MPC2000 and I always felt the modern Akais to be absolutely horrible to work with. But this... damn. The workflow and capabilities makes me hopeful.
I spoke with some people at Thomann about it and they said the interest in it was very big. If that's the case, I am sure we will see a pimped out XL version / full sized MPC in the future.
Would be cool.![]()
J60 Heatwave for Omnisphere 3 - Juno-60 Inspired soundbank
HARDWARE SAMPLER FANATIC - Akai S1100/S950/Z8 - Casio FZ20m - Emu Emax I - Ensoniq ASR10/EPS
HARDWARE SAMPLER FANATIC - Akai S1100/S950/Z8 - Casio FZ20m - Emu Emax I - Ensoniq ASR10/EPS
- KVRAF
- 20872 posts since 22 Nov, 2000 from Southern California
I Schwung'd my Move. It took some setting up but was far easier and smoother than expected. For anyone doing electronc, would recommend this setup over the Roland and Akai.
- KVRAF
- 4090 posts since 24 Oct, 2000 from A Swede Living in Budapest
I've been in this game since I was a snotty little kid and yet you surprise me with a sentence I have no idea what it meansUncle E wrote: Wed May 13, 2026 3:35 am I Schwung'd my Move. It took some setting up but was far easier and smoother than expected. For anyone doing electronc, would recommend this setup over the Roland and Akai.
J60 Heatwave for Omnisphere 3 - Juno-60 Inspired soundbank
HARDWARE SAMPLER FANATIC - Akai S1100/S950/Z8 - Casio FZ20m - Emu Emax I - Ensoniq ASR10/EPS
HARDWARE SAMPLER FANATIC - Akai S1100/S950/Z8 - Casio FZ20m - Emu Emax I - Ensoniq ASR10/EPS
- KVRAF
- 20872 posts since 22 Nov, 2000 from Southern California
Schwung used to be called Move Everything. It's a shadow OS for Ableton Move that allows it to load synths like Osirus, Virtual JV, and Dexed:
https://github.com/charlesvestal/schwung
- KVRAF
- 4090 posts since 24 Oct, 2000 from A Swede Living in Budapest
Uncle E wrote: Fri May 15, 2026 5:53 am
Schwung used to be called Move Everything. It's a shadow OS for Ableton Move that allows it to load synths like Osirus, Virtual JV, and Dexed:
https://github.com/charlesvestal/schwung
Sounds super cool actually.
J60 Heatwave for Omnisphere 3 - Juno-60 Inspired soundbank
HARDWARE SAMPLER FANATIC - Akai S1100/S950/Z8 - Casio FZ20m - Emu Emax I - Ensoniq ASR10/EPS
HARDWARE SAMPLER FANATIC - Akai S1100/S950/Z8 - Casio FZ20m - Emu Emax I - Ensoniq ASR10/EPS
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- KVRian
- 924 posts since 13 Jul, 2006
Check out Schwungs website, it now also has a nice module catalog. Astonishing how much is already there.
https://schwung.dev/index.html
https://schwung.dev/index.html
Find my (music) related software projects here: github.com/Fannon
- KVRAF
- 20872 posts since 22 Nov, 2000 from Southern California
They all get added automatically, too.