Roland Cloud

[ChamomileShark]

I believe the 5080 hardware is all digital from starting from a compressed PCM ROM and digital VCF through S/PDIF. The 1080 I believe has some color and a compressed PCM ROM at a lower sample rate.

The hardware is indeed different. However, with effects turned off I A/B'd a couple of the software version's presets and couldn't hear any difference between to Roland Cloud JV1080, XV5080 or Zenology.

[LoveEnigma18]

Sorry if it is a bit off topic, but apart from the tactile experience, is there any other reason to get JUNO-X or Jupiter-X hardware if you already own Roland Cloud sound packs, expansions and Zenology Pro?

I guess having access to the ZEN Core sounds/expansions on the hardware is an advantage, but I wonder if owning the software makes hardware redundant for the most part, especially in terms of "sound".

[beely]

I believe the 5080 hardware is all digital from starting from a compressed PCM ROM and digital VCF through S/PDIF. The 1080 I believe has some color and a compressed PCM ROM at a lower sample rate.

This is true, but irrelevant in the case of the plugins. The plugins are the 5080/Fantom engine. The 1080 plugin and the 5080 plugin are identical. The 1080 plugin is not an emulation of the hardware JV-1080, nor does it sound the same.

The hardware is indeed different. However, with effects turned off I A/B'd a couple of the software version's presets and couldn't hear any difference between to Roland Cloud JV1080, XV5080 or Zenology.

Zenology doesn't sound as good as the 5080 plugin with the 5080 presets, because it's lacking some effects, but that shortcoming aside, it does at least have the 5080 presets in it, even if they don't sound the same in many cases. The 5080 sounds generally better, and is essentially identical to my hardware 5080 from it's digital output, short of a few slight effects differences which I won't go into here right now.

[IvyBirds]

I believe the 5080 hardware is all digital from starting from a compressed PCM ROM and digital VCF through S/PDIF. The 1080 I believe has some color and a compressed PCM ROM at a lower sample rate.

The plugins in the Roland Cloud have identical sample libraries and both are higher resolution and lack the data compression scheme that Roland was using the 1990s

In actuality the XV5080 plugin isn't the XV5080 at all it's the Fantom from the early 2000s. The hardware only had patch banks that went from A-E. The plugin also contains bank F which are all Fantom patches (they were also on the XV5050 module which came out years after the XV5080 and after the Fantom)

This works however because the Fantom had higher resolution samples without the data compression and has all of the XV5080 patches and samples which had all of the JV1080 presets and samples

So in the Roland Cloud ecosystem the XV5080 is exactly the same the JV1080 only with more things

If you are into sound design and don't really care about the factory presets from the XV5080 the SRX Keyboards is on sale for $49

The SRX series were originally expansion cards filled with new samples for the XV5080 that also included presets. Many of those presets combined the new samples with the XV5080 factory library so the SRX instruments also include all the XV5080 plugjns factory samples and the same engine and basic interface
The Orchestral SRX is on sale also

Note that these samples were made by Eric Persing in the early 1990s when Roland was very flush with cash from selling the D50 so Eric used high end studios in Los Angeles with world class musicians playing pristine instruments through amazing outboard and large high end consoles

The keyboard one has lots of Vintage Synths on it and those were just 10-15 years old at the time. If you tried to make that today you are playing 40 year old instruments

If you do care about the XV5080 presets and like vintage Synths there is lots of goodness to be found in getting the XV5080 and SRX Keyboards when they are both on sale

[Digivolt]

Great info thanks

[N 4 LIFE]

I believe the 5080 hardware is all digital from starting from a compressed PCM ROM and digital VCF through S/PDIF. The 1080 I believe has some color and a compressed PCM ROM at a lower sample rate.

The hardware is indeed different. However, with effects turned off I A/B'd a couple of the software version's presets and couldn't hear any difference between to Roland Cloud JV1080, XV5080 or Zenology.

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Yup, the entire thing is that the FX in the early JV XV XP were absolutely stellar and they MADE the sounds. Why Roland didn't duplicate the FX for Zenology I still don't understand. Some of the earlier Korgs such at M1 O1W had FX that were incredible....one of their early boxes had 150 manual pages just for the FX. I hate the way Zenology sounds dry and most of the sound packs for sale do not have the right FX.

[c_voltage]

Curiously, i did not knew that there is two differ Zenology Pro bundles.

Zenology Pro (which at sale currently)
https://www.pluginboutique.com/product/ ... NOLOGY-PRO

And Zenology Pro Collection (which double expensive, and not at sale)
https://www.pluginboutique.com/product/ ... Collection

[beely]

Zen Pro is expandable, not just with sound bank content, but also model expansions. The collection basically bundles all the optional expansions with Zenology Pro. You can also buy individual expansions (but they are pricey for what they are imo).

[c_voltage]

Yes i see. Just, initially thought that there is usual Zenology, and Pro version (which include all, or almost all expansions). But it seems this is not the case.

[Examigan]

I believe the 5080 hardware is all digital from starting from a compressed PCM ROM and digital VCF through S/PDIF. The 1080 I believe has some color and a compressed PCM ROM at a lower sample rate.

The plugins in the Roland Cloud have identical sample libraries and both are higher resolution and lack the data compression scheme that Roland was using the 1990s

In actuality the XV5080 plugin isn't the XV5080 at all it's the Fantom from the early 2000s. The hardware only had patch banks that went from A-E. The plugin also contains bank F which are all Fantom patches (they were also on the XV5050 module which came out years after the XV5080 and after the Fantom)

I just loaded up XV-5080 and there is a bank G also. Are those presets also from the Fantom? The H bank is just for drum kits, but I was curious about that G bank.

[SLiC]

Curiously, i did not knew that there is two differ Zenology Pro bundles.

Zenology Pro (which at sale currently)
https://www.pluginboutique.com/product/ ... NOLOGY-PRO

And Zenology Pro Collection (which double expensive, and not at sale)
https://www.pluginboutique.com/product/ ... Collection

£88 is the cheapest I have seen it, well worth it at that price.

[Examigan]

$83 with GROUP code at JRRShop

[IvyBirds]

I believe the 5080 hardware is all digital from starting from a compressed PCM ROM and digital VCF through S/PDIF. The 1080 I believe has some color and a compressed PCM ROM at a lower sample rate.

The plugins in the Roland Cloud have identical sample libraries and both are higher resolution and lack the data compression scheme that Roland was using the 1990s

In actuality the XV5080 plugin isn't the XV5080 at all it's the Fantom from the early 2000s. The hardware only had patch banks that went from A-E. The plugin also contains bank F which are all Fantom patches (they were also on the XV5050 module which came out years after the XV5080 and after the Fantom)

I just loaded up XV-5080 and there is a bank G also. Are those presets also from the Fantom? The H bank is just for drum kits, but I was curious about that G bank.

Yes and no

Patchbank G is from the XV5050. The XV5050 was more like a stripped down budget original Fantom in a 1U rack. It had bank F which is fully backwards compatible with the XV5080 that is also in the plugin

One of the big changes in the Fantom was new improved effects thanks to the new more powerful CPU and extra RAM. It still had all of the XV5080 effects (which included all of the JV1080 effects) it just added new ones. The Reverb was especially improved

The 5050 didn't have the new Fantom effects it was one of the things they stripped down, so they reworked some of the Fantom patches for the XV5050 with XV effects and that is what bank G is, and those are in the Plugin

[quantum7]

After all these years, still no V-Synth in the Roland Cloud?????

[Muziksculp]

After all these years, still no V-Synth in the Roland Cloud?????

Also No JP-8000 / JP-8080